Ptotw #64

**jcrei** · 24th July 2009 02:33 PM

**Silent_Ac3s** · 24th July 2009 05:37 PM

Thanks for the invite, but i can't make it this weekend.

Going on a little vacation. Have fun guys, good luck!

**C8H10N4O2** · 24th July 2009 06:09 PM

Thanks for the invite. I should be there this week.

**lakedweller** · 24th July 2009 06:21 PM

Since I wasn't invited, I guess I'll just have to bug every1 for the password.

Isn't that what you're supposed to do when you're not invited?

**deathcard71** · 24th July 2009 06:51 PM

weeeeeeee, see you on the felt!

**thegrizz1111** · 25th July 2009 02:52 AM

thanks for the invite. i dont know if ill be able to make it but ill try.

**C8H10N4O2** · 25th July 2009 06:10 AM

And it begins. While playing $10NL tonight (I played a bit today despite saying I'd take a break lol... but I didn't really have any "real sessions" by any means... I got bored while I was watching some other people play online) the following occurred...

2x_Rockets (Observer): hey dew
Dew12109: no
2x_Rockets (Observer): DEW12109
2x_Rockets (Observer): hey
2x_Rockets (Observer): Yo DEW
Dew12109: I'm not giving you the password
2x_Rockets (Observer): ahhh be nice
2x_Rockets (Observer): for once lol
Dew12109: I am. I'm not leading you on.
Dew12109: The answer is "no"

He actually realized I wasn't going to budge and stopped there. I was somewhat impressed... sort of.

**frecklers** · 25th July 2009 04:07 PM

LOL I have had the same Dew a guy earlear followed me round 2 or 3 different tables!!.... I almost feel famous

**gamer4life27** · 25th July 2009 04:52 PM

Looks like there isn't a rainy day in Estonia. Haha, oh well. Good luck everyone. See you on the felt.

**gamer4life27** · 25th July 2009 05:57 PM

As promised deathcard, here is the hand with the 10 high flop that you wanted to know my hand:

Full Tilt Poker Game #13609952881: PTOTW 64 (100266628), Table 1 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:36:26 ET - 2009/07/25
Seat 1: Dew12109 (585), is sitting out
Seat 2: frob2600 (995)
Seat 4: gamer4life27 (7,065)
Seat 5: TZwien (570), is sitting out
Seat 7: dethcard71 (1,665)
Seat 9: DefDumbAndBlind (2,620)
DefDumbAndBlind posts the small blind of 30
Dew12109 posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #7
gamer4life27 has been disconnected
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gamer4life27 [Js Jd]
frob2600 folds
gamer4life27 has 15 seconds left to act
gamer4life27 has reconnected
gamer4life27 raises to 180
TZwien folds
dethcard71 calls 180
DefDumbAndBlind folds
Dew12109 folds
*** FLOP *** [Ts 7d 4c]
gamer4life27:
gamer4life27 has 15 seconds left to act
gamer4life27 bets 375
DefDumbAndBlind: stop stealing your neighbor's wireless
dethcard71 folds
Uncalled bet of 375 returned to gamer4life27
gamer4life27 mucks
gamer4life27 wins the pot (450)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 450 | Rake 0
Board: [Ts 7d 4c]
Seat 1: Dew12109 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: frob2600 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: gamer4life27 collected (450), mucked
Seat 5: TZwien didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: dethcard71 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: DefDumbAndBlind (small blind) folded before the Flop

**deathcard71** · 25th July 2009 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by gamer4life27

As promised deathcard, here is the hand with the 10 high flop that you wanted to know my hand:

vnh, had AK.

this is the hand that hurt me, sigh... gg frob!

Full Tilt Poker Game #13610053333: PTOTW 64 (100266628), Table 1 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:42:59 ET - 2009/07/25
Seat 1: Dew12109 (470)
Seat 2: frob2600 (420)
Seat 4: gamer4life27 (9,125)
Seat 5: TZwien (270), is sitting out
Seat 7: dethcard71 (1,185)
Seat 9: DefDumbAndBlind (2,030)
frob2600 posts the small blind of 40
gamer4life27 posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dethcard71 [9c 9h]
TZwien folds
Dew12109: I'll take it
dethcard71 raises to 240
DefDumbAndBlind folds
Dew12109 folds
Dew12109: I slept through my effing alarm
frob2600 raises to 420, and is all in
gamer4life27 has 15 seconds left to act
gamer4life27 calls 340
dethcard71 calls 180
*** FLOP *** [7c As 6h]
gamer4life27 checks
dethcard71 checks
*** TURN *** [7c As 6h] [3h]
gamer4life27 checks
dethcard71 checks
*** RIVER *** [7c As 6h 3h] [Qh]
gamer4life27 checks
dethcard71 checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
frob2600 shows [Qs Ts] a pair of Queens
gamer4life27 mucks
dethcard71 mucks
frob2600 wins the pot (1,260) with a pair of Queens
dethcard71: lol, you dont need to tell me or post is what i am saying,
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,260 | Rake 0
Board: [7c As 6h 3h Qh]
Seat 1: Dew12109 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: frob2600 (small blind) showed [Qs Ts] and won (1,260) with a pair of Queens
Seat 4: gamer4life27 (big blind) mucked [6d Td] - a pair of Sixes
Seat 5: TZwien didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: dethcard71 mucked [9c 9h] - a pair of Nines
Seat 9: DefDumbAndBlind didn't bet (folded)

**gamer4life27** · 25th July 2009 06:12 PM

Gg all. Had a 10 to 1 chip lead on frob... and he came back to win.*cry*

He did say he needed to be a luckbox about 12 times, and I think thats exactly what he did, lmao.

Here is the final hand:

Full Tilt Poker Game #13610298291: PTOTW 64 (100266628), Table 1 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:59:48 ET - 2009/07/25
Seat 2: frob2600 (9,210)
Seat 4: gamer4life27 (4,290)
frob2600 posts the small blind of 50
gamer4life27 posts the big blind of 100
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gamer4life27 [8h 5s]
frob2600 calls 50
gamer4life27 checks
*** FLOP *** [6d 8c 7d]
gamer4life27 checks
frob2600 bets 200
gamer4life27 raises to 600
frob2600 raises to 2,000
gamer4life27 raises to 4,190, and is all in
frob2600 calls 2,190
gamer4life27 shows [8h 5s]
frob2600 shows [5d Ad]
*** TURN *** [6d 8c 7d] [As]
*** RIVER *** [6d 8c 7d As] [Kc]
gamer4life27 shows a pair of Eights
frob2600 shows a pair of Aces
frob2600 wins the pot (8,580) with a pair of Aces
gamer4life27: ugghh
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8,580 | Rake 0
Board: [6d 8c 7d As Kc]
Seat 2: frob2600 (small blind) showed [5d Ad] and won (8,580) with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: gamer4life27 (big blind) showed [8h 5s] and lost with a pair of Eights

Points update frob!?

**frob23** · 25th July 2009 06:16 PM

Great game everyone. I got really lucky with my Q

-T

hand and managed to stay alive until the money. And then eventually landed heads up with gamer -- who had a 12.5-1 chip lead at the time. I got some really lucky flops... and then ran well until the end. If I hadn't gotten very lucky at several points during this game, I wouldn't have won. That is for sure.

Results
Tournament started: 2009/07/25 13:01:00 ET
Tournament finished: 2009/07/25 14:00:19 ET

Rank: Name -- Points -- Cash
1: frob2600 -- 61.7 -- $50.00
2: gamer4life27 -- 43.6 -- $30.00
3: DefDumbAndBlind -- 35.6 -- $20.00
4: dethcard71 -- 30.8
5: TZwien -- 27.6
6: Dew12109 -- 25.2
7: frecklers -- 23.3
8: EyeFartedLOL -- 21.8
9: thegrizz1111 -- 20.6

Current Gross Point Leaders (After 8 Games)
1: frob2600 -- 278.6
2: gamer4life27 -- 256.1
3: frecklers -- 250.4
4: EyeFartedLOL -- 174.8
5: Dew12109 -- 173.8

**deathcard71** · 25th July 2009 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by deathcard71

Seat 1: Dew12109 (470)
Seat 2: frob2600 (420)
Seat 4: gamer4life27 (9,125)
Seat 5: TZwien (270), is sitting out
Seat 7: dethcard71 (1,185)
Seat 9: DefDumbAndBlind (2,030)

i haven't played on FTP for long so i am still learning my way around. sometimes you can easily tell if a player is siting out but i just now realized all we have to do is open up the hand history and there it is.

you guys probably already knew this, i'm always the last to know.
this is very useful information in a super turbo or on the bubble in any tournament.

**frob23** · 25th July 2009 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by gamer4life27

Gg all. Had a 10 to 1 chip lead on frob... and he came back to win.*cry*

He did say he needed to be a luckbox about 12 times, and I think thats exactly what he did, lmao.

I think the lowest point was 1070-12380 or about 11.6-1 in your favor. I called it 12.5 to one at the time... in my head.

The points are updated. You posted that while I was putting together the post. I am not able to directly copy from the spreadsheet program into here... so I need to type that up manually.

That last hand... I don't think either of us get away from that... unless I call on the flop. You might be able to fold the 8s and straight draw, once I bet the Ace on the turn. But on the flop... you're not folding and neither am I.

If I knew your cards: I was a 53.5-46.5 favorite. Basically a flip. But if you had a top pair hand... it was closer to 60-40. A made straight... and I was in trouble. And a set was also bad for me. The set makes me 40-60. T-9... the worst hand is 35-65. The other straights are closer to 60-40 and even. If you had two pair... it was still a very close flip. Basically, I was willing to flip in that spot against the range of hands I thought you might have. And that doesn't include worse flush draws or overs. If I lost, I had to rebuild. But I wasn't out. And if I won... I won the tournament.

**gamer4life27** · 25th July 2009 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by frob23

That last hand... I don't think either of us get away from that... unless I call on the flop. You might be able to fold the 8s and straight draw, once I bet the Ace on the turn. But on the flop... you're not folding and neither am I.

I don't think so either. I thought I had the best hand, and if not, I had a lot of draws to win/tie. I couldn't put you on 8 10, and at best I put you on a 7 and were trying to get my off my hand, and at worse a 5 or a 10 and were being a bully.

I actually ran the hand in a hand calculator and was surprised to see the results:

Win%
Tie%

Frob: A

5

72.40% (2.14%)
Gamer: 8

5

25.46% (2.14%)
(not surprised their)

Flop: 8

7

6

Frob: A

5

43.67% (19.70%)
Gamer:8

5

36.67% (19.70%)
(I was surprised here. I thought I might have a few percentage points on frob, but I knew it was still a coin flip. Well, almost.

)

**frob23** · 25th July 2009 06:48 PM

Yeah, same numbers I get (except mine include the tie equity in them).

It was very close. I can blame 6-max on that play. There are a bunch of articles where they discuss the merits of playing hands like the one I had very strongly (even to the point of all-in) on the flop. Mainly because you have a bunch of fold equity and even if you get called... or otherwise end up all-in... you're rarely that far behind.

**gamer4life27** · 25th July 2009 06:50 PM

Where did you read that article? Maybe I should start reading up on my poker.

**frob23** · 25th July 2009 07:02 PM

6 Max fundamentals for SSNL players

Combo Draws

Another thing which I think is standard to most people but may not, is combo draws.

Hands where you have say 13-15 outs on the flop should be taken to the felt.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?578686

Here is an example of properly playing a combo draw. Same goes with open ended straight and flush draws. Play these hands strong and very fast. There is a ton of fold equity as well as getting money in being a 50/50 if they do decide to take their hand to the felt with you.

Best case scenario for the hand I played above is that everyone folds. Making them fold in spots like this is what makes playing combo draws this way profitable. You don’t profit by them calling a 50/50 shot. You profit making them fold.

Of course, I didn't have fold equity at that point anymore... but the pot was laying me fantastic odds for a 50/50 shot.

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