need some help crazy graph...

[Hakimakli]

First of all, I'm a winning player at Nl 100 9 max, but what the hell is going on with my non showdown winnings, what are the leaks of my game? Thanks for helping me..

http://img182.imageshack.us/i/jesusfuckingchrist.tif/


Thx

[DeadBabySoup]

i don't think anyone can give you much feedback without a hand history. but that chart could be interpreted in multiple ways. it looks like you're getting paid off on your winning hands. which would add to your showdown profitability and take away from your non-showdown hands. it also looks like you're getting away from your losing hands. every hand you fold will take away from your non showdown profits, as it's a loss. personally, i don't think this graph alone indicates that there is a problem with your game. if you're a tight player, it's about what i would expect.

[C8H10N4O2]

From what I've read and seen, your non-showdown winnings line is optimal when it is near to being level. All the graphs of solid profitable players that I've seen have had non-showdown lines that go up and down and up and down, but generally speaking levels out.

The graph doesn't necessarily indicate a problem, but it probably indicates leaks that if plugged could increase your profitability significantly. You are running 1.5BB/100 hands, so I'd think that there is more money to be made somewhere in your game, which is probably resting in non-showdown winnings, but at the same time, your showdown winnings is really high, so I don't know. This info is just based on some stuff I've read that comes with hold'em manager, so take it or leave it, but I definitely think you have a bit of room to make more money (at least "break even") without going to a showdown.

[deathcard71]

You are running 1.5BB/100 hands, so I'd think that there is more money to be made somewhere in your game, which is probably resting in non-showdown winnings, but at the same time, your showdown winnings is really high, so I don't know.

i haven't seen this graph before and i don't use PT or anything. so help me understand.

only thing i know is if your showdown winning % is unusually high then you are probably folding the river too often.
you maybe missing some value by folding the best hand.
of course i never seen this graph before so take my noob analysis for what it is.

[C8H10N4O2]

i haven't seen this graph before and i don't use PT or anything. so help me understand.

only thing i know is if your showdown winning % is unusually high then you are probably folding the river too often.
you maybe missing some value by folding the best hand.
of course i never seen this graph before so take my noob analysis for what it is.

What do you mean deathcard? The OP posted a link to his graph in his original post. What are you wanting me to help you to understand?

[deathcard71]

What do you mean deathcard? The OP posted a link to his graph in his original post. What are you wanting me to help you to understand?

i understand the total winnings line. i think i understand the showdown winings: net profit on showdowns, correct?
but i don't understand the non-showdowns.

[C8H10N4O2]

The non-showdown line is simply the line showing your profits/losses when you haven't gone to showdown.

In tracking software, you can click a "showdown vs nonshowdown" option. This option goes through all your hands that have reached showdown and gives a profit line. Then it goes through all your hands that never made it to showdown and gives a profit line as well. It separates the two categories of hands. When you add your showdown winnings and your non-showdown winnings together, you'll get your net profit.

I guess I'm not sure exactly how to explain it, because the name pretty much implies what it is. Nonshowdown winnings is the line of your net profit/losses when a hand does not get to showdown, while showdown winnings is the line of your net profit/losses when a hand does go to showdown.

In the case of the OP, his showdown winnings are sitting at almost $15,500 over 200,000 hands. But his non-showdown winnings are at a loss of $12,000 giving him a net profit of $3,500 or so. This essentially means that when the OP goes to showdown, he has a very high win-rate, but tends to rarely make it to showdown.

[Hakimakli]

Thx for the answers so far. I think I'm folding the river too often and calling the flop or turn too often. Could that be possible?! To go in detail for dew and babysoup(I really think u know what u are talking about ;-) ) here a some statistics. Maybe this can explain the non showdown graph a bit?! The "total" column is the important one.
I think the won without showdown 20% is very low. I see that on my own, what changes in my game can increase this number and my profit?

http://img291.imageshack.us/i/staaaaaaats.tif/

Thx

[RAW_FORCE]

At the levels 100NL and lower it is absolutely not essential to have positive non-sd winnings to beat the game at a decent rate. A lot of the villains are calling stations and bluffing is only seldom a good decision. There also isn't too much bluffing going on so its hard to find that call on the river after he fires the third barrel. Its not wrong to fold if he's got the goods there 95% of the time. I've played several times with you and have a fair amount of hands on most of the regs at 100NL on full tilt and our red lines all look roughly the same. Here's my graph for comparison. My non-sd winrate is actually WORSE than yours


http://i32.tinypic.com/25anjf4.jpg