What would you do here?

[C8H10N4O2]

I would have faced this situation, but I mis-read the minutes left before the tournament started and thought I had enough time to grab a drink. Here is the set-up.

I usually don't play MTT's, so when I do, they are usually $2-5 tournaments. I decided to try to satellite into the $200K Double Deuce today though, and made it into it. I know it's only a $22 tourney, but for an MTT, that's more expensive than my bankroll would allow for. Anyway, here is the hand.

I was dealt KK the first hand of the tournament. Blinds are 10/20. Starting stack is 3220.
Everyone folds to me, I time out, the guy to my left raises to 800. (Yes... an entire 40x BB raise from middle position). Of course the action folds all the way around, so if I hadn't timed out, I would have had to decide what to do. Statistically, the guy is a terrible player, but I think that's pretty much a given when you open with a 40x the BB raise on the very first hand of a deep stacked tournament.

So obviously he isn't a solid player. What would be the best course of action in this situation?

[HeyKidMove]

I would probably just shove, he probably won't give you credit, and will probably call no matter what anyway.

[travz21]

The best course of action is to not time out. Auto ship

[EliminateU]

The guy probably has AJs and doesn't want action, and he has to be a complete moron. KK should shove, on FTP he is like 40% to flop the ace, 30% to river the ace, 20% to hit a flush or a straight. So your KK is like a 9-1 underdog. J/k, but sometimes it does feel that way. You SHOULD easily ship, but you certainly can't win a 10,000 person tourney on the 1st hand...you can lose it though so it isn't auto.

Then after a swig of your drink ( hopefully a fine scotch, either single malt or a high end blend like Johnny Walker Black or esp Gold) hitch up the pants, and just as you are about to time out hit ALL-IN and pray he folds or didn't miracle AA.

[blueragg]

i would call and if no Ace hits the flop i'd shove

[travz21]

i would call and if no Ace hits the flop i'd shove

What does that accomplish? He might not even have an A in his hand.

[DeadBabySoup]

i'd unfold my kings. and raise all in.

[Hakimakli]

I raise to 2000 and ship every flop...
same as an all in, but the sometimes weak opponents like he is think theres a huge difference between this raise and an all in:-)

[Machine_7]

Why even ask this question??? Such a big raise by dude = all-in by you. There is very little chance he has you dominated.

[C8H10N4O2]

I just wasn't sure if people here would shove all-in the very first hand of a large sized MTT deep-stacked tournament. It seemed like a legitamite question to me.

[pokersicko123]

he's not folding to a shove after putting in 600. jesus. plus, it's like 20bux. to you might be a lot, but to most ppl on there, really isn't.

[frecklers]

he's not folding to a shove after putting in 600. jesus. plus, it's like 20bux. to you might be a lot, but to most ppl on there, really isn't.

What are you talking about?

First he has put in 800 (not 600) and second the starting stacks are 3220 so he has a further2420 to commit if he is set all in.

On that basis whether he folds or not will depend on his cards and his common sense.

[liladypokerpro]

Frecklers... how many online poker players really have ANY common sense? lol There are far less people who think while they play online than there are of the insta-click revolution... hahaha Sorry, I just get a kick out of everyone always assuming all other players THINK when they play, when the majority don't.

OK now that I'm done giggling... Dew...

First mistake: Buying in over your BR... shame tisk tisk bad bad bad
Second mistake: Timing out with KK when Chip McSpewtard is ready to dump to you... shame tisk tisk bad bad bad

LOL

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[travz21]

Frecklers... how many online poker players really have ANY common sense? lol There are far less people who think while they play online than there are of the insta-click revolution... hahaha Sorry, I just get a kick out of everyone always assuming all other players THINK when they play, when the majority don't.

OK now that I'm done giggling... Dew...

First mistake: Buying in over your BR... shame tisk tisk bad bad bad
Second mistake: Timing out with KK when Chip McSpewtard is ready to dump to you... shame tisk tisk bad bad bad

LOL

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He won a satellite and took a shot at winning 30k. I think that's a good move, even though you'd have to beat a couple million people to take it down.

[C8H10N4O2]

Lol, it was a cheap satellite, of which I "satellited" into the satellite by winning a 4 person HU sng that required a risk of 1/116 of my bankroll. Secondly, it was only 11,500ish people. I went out in 2,900th, and was actually up $4 in the end for taking the experience (It took me two shots to get in for essentially a starting price of $2.15, so in the end I had $4 left over from my own "satellite" entry method combined with FTP's official satellite for the tournament). I had someone sweating me while I was playing in it too, so the knowledge gained there was worth it as well. I was crazy card dead (talking like 9 2, 7 3, 8 3 types of hands for the longest time) as I was approaching the time when you start to have to shove. I finally shoved and got called when I was a 57% favorite, and despite catching my ace, crazy lose player caught a straight and I was out. I have no regrets about playing in the tourney as I was I played in it without worry of the buy-in or anything, because I was essentially freerolling in it.

The only reason I propsed this question was this was a tournament that wasn't a freeroll, so I wasn't sure if everyone would ship it or not considering how deep stacked the tournament started out to be. The money part wasn't as much of an issue, but this also wasn't the daily dollar donkament that is essentially a freeroll as well. It just provided a weird scenario when someone someone opens for 40BB and everyone else is 161 BB's deep.

I think it was well reasoned, but maybe not. The whole thing was fun at least.

[travz21]

I'm sure it was a mistype/click to 800 instead of 80. So if you 3x'd it instead of timing out, you probably would have saved him a huge mistype/click and you wouldn't have been facing a 800 chip reraise.

For the sake of discussion, we'll pretend like you were on his left and he opened for 800 and you look down at KK. You should shove imo. If you reraise, it leaves you like a 1/4th pot shove on the flop. If you flat, you'll have 2400 left for a 1600 pot on the flop. Both are awkward stack sizes for post flop play.

Plus, you could have some metagame working with you if you shove. If he actually misclicked and thinks you think he misclicked, he's going to put you on a much wider range and he should call with a wider range.

[liladypokerpro]

For the sake of discussion, we'll pretend like you were on his left and he opened for 800 and you look down at KK. You should shove imo.

This ^^^^^ 100%

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[DeadBabySoup]

Lol, it was a cheap satellite, of which I "satellited" into the satellite by winning a 4 person HU sng that required a risk of 1/116 of my bankroll. Secondly, it was only 11,500ish people. I went out in 2,900th, and was actually up $4 in the end for taking the experience (It took me two shots to get in for essentially a starting price of $2.15, so in the end I had $4 left over from my own "satellite" entry method combined with FTP's official satellite for the tournament). I had someone sweating me while I was playing in it too, so the knowledge gained there was worth it as well. I was crazy card dead (talking like 9 2, 7 3, 8 3 types of hands for the longest time) as I was approaching the time when you start to have to shove. I finally shoved and got called when I was a 57% favorite, and despite catching my ace, crazy lose player caught a straight and I was out. I have no regrets about playing in the tourney as I was I played in it without worry of the buy-in or anything, because I was essentially freerolling in it.

The only reason I propsed this question was this was a tournament that wasn't a freeroll, so I wasn't sure if everyone would ship it or not considering how deep stacked the tournament started out to be. The money part wasn't as much of an issue, but this also wasn't the daily dollar donkament that is essentially a freeroll as well. It just provided a weird scenario when someone someone opens for 40BB and everyone else is 161 BB's deep.

I think it was well reasoned, but maybe not. The whole thing was fun at least.

donks play $20 tournaments too. if he's betting 800 into a 30 chip pot, he's a donk. he would have called with AK most likely. then again, he could have been a donk with aces. in which case you're pretty much screwed.