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[hollygirl]

Ok so i havent posted in a while but, i have been reading the post. i have taken a little break from online been doing alot of working. last night i was at the casino i sat in the lobby waiting for a seat, for a bout 15 min. then they call my name so i go and sit down at 1/2 nl. i sat with 200 there are 9 ppl.i came in on the button the very first hand i get AJ guy makes it 10 4 ppl call i make it 35. i lik eto come in aggressive, so bb calls and the original raiser calls. theres like 140 in the pot. well the flop cal 10 Q 7 bb checks raiser checks i bet 45. BB calls raiser shoves his last 220 what do i do?

[travz21]

If that's the 10 of hearts, easy shove. If it's not the 10 of hearts, easy fold. Don't 3bet pf with this hand and you won't have issues. If you have to come in aggressive, do it with premiums or with T9s types of hands

[ballboy75]

how many drink s were they serving? sounds like a bunch of drunk syou were playing with

[hollygirl]

your right easy shove i think so to. i call the guy which puts me all in . having the royal flush draw how do i fold right? so the turn came out 3 the river was a Q i turn my flush the other guy waits a second so i thought maybe i won he turns over 10 10 and starts laughing so i lose 200 no big deal. even tho i did come in strong with AJ lets say i jus called is there any way you ever lay down the royal flush draw for all your money??? thats really what i wanna know?

[rednirg]

Well I don't see why you would fold if you wanted to play aggressive, you are getting great odds, even if he has what he does and that is no guarantee. You have $120 left and the pot is around $350 if I am reading it correctly. Seems to me that he should have flipped cards over first too and you should have just mucked. Maybe people will think you had Aces, or at least AK of hearts, no need to show you are 3 betting so light, especially with a few callers after pot was already opened up at 5x blind. Really just a cooler though, hopefully you are within your bankroll and it should be no problem. Can't believe he slow rolled you then laughed. I would have waited for him outside, but I'm a psycho.

[Esqueleto]

Well I don't see why you would fold if you wanted to play aggressive, you are getting great odds, even if he has what he does and that is no guarantee. You have $120 left and the pot is around $350 if I am reading it correctly. Seems to me that he should have flipped cards over first too and you should have just mucked. Maybe people will think you had Aces, or at least AK of hearts, no need to show you are 3 betting so light, especially with a few callers after pot was already opened up at 5x blind. Really just a cooler though, hopefully you are within your bankroll and it should be no problem. Can't believe he slow rolled you then laughed. I would have waited for him outside, but I'm a psycho.

LOL

Would have at least flattened his tires. The laugh was not necessary to say the least.

[hollygirl]

yes it was no problem losing the 200$. but yea the slow roll was a bit much really pissed me off , but thats another topic -LOL- . i was just wondering was my play wrong in either way play the hand.

[travz21]

Make it 55 pf if you want to 3bet. Your raise was way too small. I don't know how you didn't end up having a 5 way pot, which would have been nice I guess considering that flop. But 3bet bigger if you don't want to get in huge messes with AJs in a multiway pot.

[allthatremains]

your right easy shove i think so to. i call the guy which puts me all in . having the royal flush draw how do i fold right? so the turn came out 3 the river was a Q i turn my flush the other guy waits a second so i thought maybe i won he turns over 10 10 and starts laughing so i lose 200 no big deal. even tho i did come in strong with AJ lets say i jus called is there any way you ever lay down the royal flush draw for all your money??? thats really what i wanna know?

You are on a Royal Flush draw, but you are really playing the hand as just a flush draw. If the board was paired and you sensed your opponent already had a Full House, then you would only be playing for the Royal Flush draw. It was unfortunate that your opponent improved on the river after you hit the flush on the turn, but "that's poker".

[frecklers]

You are on a Royal Flush draw, but you are really playing the hand as just a flush draw. If the board was paired and you sensed your opponent already had a Full House, then you would only be playing for the Royal Flush draw. It was unfortunate that your opponent improved on the river after you hit the flush on the turn, but "that's poker".

You are not just playing the flush draw?

You are playing the Straight Draw, The Flush Draw and in a lot of situations expecting your A to be an out as well.

Obviously if ALL you are playing is the flush draw then the call whilst still correct is significantly less profitable.

[allthatremains]

You are not just playing the flush draw?

You are playing the Straight Draw, The Flush Draw and in a lot of situations expecting your A to be an out as well.

Obviously if ALL you are playing is the flush draw then the call whilst still correct is significantly less profitable.

Agreed.

The question asked if you could lay down the Royal Flush draw. I was just trying to point out if that was your only draw to win, then yes it should be laid down. You took it even further.

[RiverstarsVictim]

I dont get live...a guy makes it 10 and then 4 callers...a raise to 35 is good here?

I'm lost.

[bsg]

ditto, your pf raise was too small. You didn't put 10 10 to d test or give him any odds to fold. However, u were destine to lose the moment u play tat hand with tat flop, it's a cooler played poorly. So no need to regret if u insists on an aggressive image right from the first hand.

[frecklers]

Agreed.

The question asked if you could lay down the Royal Flush draw. I was just trying to point out if that was your only draw to win, then yes it should be laid down. You took it even further.

Ah Apologies... Agreed although there are people who can't lay down a Royal Draw even if they only have one out.

It's genuine outs that matter and not whether the hand you eventually hit looks nice

[pokerbucket]

It is always better to be aggressive and bet especially when you have a huge draw. Sometimes it can be deceiving because when you push you will lose sometimes, even though it was the right play. If you don't make the same play in the future because you are thinking about the times you lost then you need to reevaluate your game. You didn't do anything wrong and you should play it the same way every time.

[bsg]

It is always better to be aggressive and bet especially when you have a huge draw. Sometimes it can be deceiving because when you push you will lose sometimes, even though it was the right play. If you don't make the same play in the future because you are thinking about the times you lost then you need to reevaluate your game. You didn't do anything wrong and you should play it the same way every time.

Agree for the most part, except for the small pf raise, it's neither here or there, looks like small ball but it doesn't really make sense. Most of d time I want to raise bigger with AA in that spot so what could you be representing.. A scared QQ.. A squeeze play. There's less dangerous ways to set a loose aggressive image in my opinon. Of course in most post flop there was nothing wrong with the play, that was inevitable. So I suppose he was likely to loss all the money in every situation. I just don't see anyone folding 10 10 on the turn seems he'll likely be priced in in most situation.

Penny 4 ur thoughts as I'm not sure if my thought process is really up to standard of dew and deadbabysoup .

[RiverstarsVictim]

Do we want our money in everytime on this flop or can we check sometimes and take the free card?

[travz21]

I'm shoving this flop almost every time. Stack sizes are awkward where you can't bet 2/3 the pot on the flop and still get someone off the hand on the turn if you miss. So it basically comes down to checking or shoving, and I'd much rather use our fold equity to take down a nice pot immediately or be a flip if we're called.