Live Poker Etiquette Question

[CallifyouDare]

Hi,

I was playing in a live SNG with a total of 9 players. I've already played with 3 of them as we're from the same bunch of players. The host was not someone I played regularly played with but I had no bad experiences with him. The game was like a regular SNG tournament, just that you could rebuy once and only once during the first hour of play (which would take you at 25/50 in blinds). The starting stack was 1000.

I've played one hand here and there but never connecting to the flop and always folding to any bet. Also, the 3 other players I'm familiar with know I'm just a tight player who tend to be a little bit passive at times. Then I get involved with JcTc in the button with 6 players to the flop which comes down Qh8sAd. UTG bets and it's folded to me I call. Turn comes 3c and he shoves all-in for more than my stack. I folded after a little deliberation, and I was crippled to half what I had as my starting stack.

Very next hand, with 3-4 limpers I shove pocket 22 and get called by Q7o... I double up and get back to starting stack.

So that was the context before what I consider to be a bad manner display :

We're now past the rebuying time and the table is still full. A couple of players have rebought so CL next to me has over 3000. It's now 25/50 and I get KsKh UTG. I limp in hope someone raises because the people who have rebought were fairly aggressive with junk...and also because I'm known for being tight. So disguising my hand's strength seemed appropriate at the time.

After 2-3 more limpers, CL who was in the BB makes a raise to 7xBB total (something like 350 which a standard raise considering the number of limpers right ?). I go hollywood with him since he's been bullying the table with his stack. Then I shove all-in for a total of 720 (had 1070 prior to the hand).

Then, everyone at the table except for my 2-3 "buddies" started side talking and pushing the CL to make the call. They even started to make random guesses about my hand. Phrases like "if he has 22 again, you HAVE to call" or "he can't have AK" were spouted.... After going in the tank for 2 full minutes, CL decides to call and it sounded like a reluctant one...

He shows AJo and flops bring ATT. I couldn't improve further more on the turn & river and I was busted.

So here's my questions :
1) Do you call an all-in bet with AJo in a HU situation if people make suggestions about it ?
2) Isn't it bad etiquette to entice someone into calling an all-in ?

Whichever side is right, I just feel it was highly inappropriate to talk about the hand when they folded their hands... Comments anyone ?

[C8H10N4O2]

So here's my questions :
1) Do you call an all-in bet with AJo in a HU situation if people make suggestions about it ?
2) Isn't it bad etiquette to entice someone into calling an all-in ?

Whichever side is right, I just feel it was highly inappropriate to talk about the hand when they folded their hands... Comments anyone ?

1) It shouldn't matter what other people's suggestions are. You can make the call or make the lay down dependent on your read of the situation, pot odds, chip stack ratios etc... Whether or not someone who folded makes a comment about the hand or not is irrelevant.

2) This is a poorly phrased question as you attempt to lead the person to the answer you want to hear, but I'll answer it anyway.

It's generally bad etiquette to talk about a hand you aren't involved in, but this is a pretty typical occurrence in relaxed home games. If you shove and you have a hand you want to get called with, you it's not bad etiquette for you to try to get a caller. They shouldn't have enticed someone to call, but you should be happy he called too.

[travz21]

I'm surprised this is the first time you've experienced this. This happens in every single home game I play in. It's part of the game. It's not right, but it always happens in home games and I've gotten used to it. I actually find it more fun when people talk about hands they aren't in.

On the hand, he was getting around 2.5 to 1 for a call, so he's really not making a laydown unless he puts you on AA. Many live players don't keep track of the pot though, so it's doubtful he even knows what the pot is, if he even knows how to calculate pot odds to begin with.

[CallifyouDare]

dew :
I'm not too sure about live poker as I usually don't play live at all so my 2nd question really was a genuine question about live poker etiquette. I've heard it's bad to talk when you're not involved but I wanted to have a confirmation.

I'm not trying to discuss his calling thought process. Of course being the CL and having already invested chips in the pot, he rarely folds his hand here. I actually liked him calling me. Just that I kept my mouth shut the whole time and trying to put up a poker face. What I didn't appreciate were the other people barging in...

travz :
Well, it's the first time I've experienced it on such a scale. I mean I've already seen someone talking about the hand when he's not involved, but this time, 60% of the table was doing it, which left me a little bit shocked. What's up with the ganging up here ??

[C8H10N4O2]

So here's my questions :
1) Do you call an all-in bet with AJo in a HU situation if people make suggestions about it ?
2) Isn't it bad etiquette to entice someone into calling an all-in ?

I know you aren't wanting to "talk about his thought calling process" but look at what you asked in #1. I answered your question... Whether or not people are making suggestions about the hand, he should make a call dependent on his own personal read of the entire situation.
IF people make suggestions about it doesn't matter... I cannot say "yes or no" to that question...as nothing I can answer would make sense. Just think... "Yes you should call all-in in a heads up situation when people are making suggestions about it" or "No you shouldn't call an all-in in a heads up situation when people are making suggestions about it". Because there is no yes or no answer to your question, I'm saying... "Whether or not people make suggestions about it is completely irrelevant. He should make the call or not make the call 100% dependent on his own assessment of the situation."

travz :...
What's up with the ganging up here ??

It isn't ganging up, it's just a typical home game with people who don't play seriously regularly.

[CallifyouDare]

Okay I get it dew, my OP was poorly phrased... and I had my answers so, everything is alright.

[bsg]

Even in the biggest games there are drunks as seen on tv, in casino there are inconsiderate ppl too. Put it down to variance and forget about it. You could throw a tantrum but they'll probably enjoy it anyway. Though a short glare of disgust or a shake of the heads toward them would probably be acceptable. Sometimes helps to let a bit of steam out.

[CallifyouDare]

Well, I won't hold a grudge against those people, I'm just not that kinda of person. Just wanted to make sure was was supposedly right or wrong.

Whatever happens after all the chips have been put in the middle is bound to the laws of luck & probabilities. I knew I was a favorite PF and I don't care if he hits his ace to bust me. That's just poker. On the other hand, you guys have made it there shouldn't be side talks for people not involved and yet it's somehow very common in live games.

Just gotta need to learn how to live with it. If I can't, then I can always crawl back to being a hermit and play online lol

[bsg]

Just cause it happens don't mean it's ok. Seems he knew he was behind and was likely to fold if he wasn't prodded which would mean you'll be in the game with a bigger stack. It's pretty uncool of them since money's involve. Though I'm glad you're not one of those people that would be waiting outside with a big stick, some people are pyscho like that,

[DeadBabySoup]

sounds like a typical home game. if you're in a casino, it's bad to talk about a hand if you're not in it. but it's pretty standard for home games. as for the call, AJ is pretty standard too.

[CallifyouDare]

bsg :
Even if it happens and it's not okay, the only thing I can do is never playing with them again. Yeah, results-wise, it's uncool, but I wanted the call anyway... Hmmm, maybe I should always carry a stick with me when I'm playing live lol

DeadBabySoup :
Well, okay if it's standard for a home game. For the AJ I already know it's standard, but thanks for your input.

[C8H10N4O2]

bsg :
Even if it happens and it's not okay, the only thing I can do is never playing with them again. Yeah, results-wise, it's uncool, but I wanted the call anyway... Hmmm, maybe I should always carry a stick with me when I'm playing live lol

DeadBabySoup :
Well, okay if it's standard for a home game. For the AJ I already know it's standard, but thanks for your input.

Just don't take the stick into a casino... you'll get many weird looks.

[CallifyouDare]

Maybe the stick will be alright if I go to a casino disguised as a Ninja Turtle (Donatello) LOL

[C8H10N4O2]

Maybe the stick will be alright if I go to a casino disguised as a Ninja Turtle (Donatello) LOL

You might need more than a stick when you leave the casino if you turn out looking like this guy (obviously with the exception of purple substituted for red)...

[MikeyEl]

If you wear the TMNT costume make sure you don't wear the mask. I found out first hand that you can't be on a casino floor with any type of mask on a month ago at a buddy of mine's bachelor party at the Borgata . A friend of mine owns a company and it's mascot is a bear, so i was walking around the casino floor in the bear suit. After being on the floor for 10 minutes, security asks for my ID to make sure I am 21. 5 minutes later he comes over and tells me I have to remove the mask until I get off the casino floor. i walked off the floor with my buddies dying laughing.