Laying down a pocket pair

[C8H10N4O2]

never laid down pp J-A. Online the odds are ppl shove with pretty much anything.
I call many pp's from short-stacks to often, and it tends to lead to me getting sucked out.

Odds mean nothing. ldo

[travz21]

How can you call too often and it leads to you getting sucked out on? Either you're calling too much and are behind more often than you'd like, or you're calling the right amount of times and are ahead, just like you want to be. Why would someone complain about getting their money in good too often?

[gamer4life27]

I love how online players are classified as being maniacs or shoving all the time/more than they should.

For this topic, I will give you an example of a friend of mine who played in a home game and made a great laydown.

We were playing our regular tournament. We had 9 players this time and I was in the BB. It was still within the first few hands when a hand that I don't think I will ever forget came into play.

The friend of mine plays somewhat loose (not too loose, will play tighter live, but looser online). He is three seats to my left and raises the action to the standard 3x BB which was to a total of 150 chips. The person to his immediate left goes all in. Now this guy is pretty tight and would not normally make this type of move, especially this early in the tournament. He is somewhat of a standard player.

Given all of this, my friend who raised first is sitting their thinking for a good 10 minutes. He stopped the blind clock after the first 3 and we just sit their looking at them wondering what they are going to do. He is trying to talk to the person who is all in and he barley says anything. He isn't that talkative, but he isn't this quiet normally. In my head, it feels as though he is trying to hide something and is doing a bad job at trying to act normal.

After the 10 minutes, he lifts his cards in the air and shows us that he was folding pocket kings. This was shocking in itself because I have never seen that live before. But it was more breath taking because he isn't that type of player. He would normally have this chips in the center the moment it got around to him. The fact that he took his time, took everything into account in the current situation and made the right laydown after the guy shows pocket aces showed true poker skills.

Needless to say, the guy with the pocket aces was very upset because he was expecting all of his chips in the middle as well.

Now, the moral of the story. Yes, it is possible for someone to lay down 10's - K's pre flop, given the right situation, given the person who has them has the ability to read the opponent correctly, and the guts to follow his reads all the way through.

[Brooklynbum]

I've layed down KK a few times and almost all of those times were playing in a live game. A few times I was right on (when the villain actually showed his AA to me).

I'd say in order to lay down KK the situation has to very very specific and probably against a certain type of player.

Anybody else I'm probably sticking my money in.

Anybody who says that they can't fold KK is just a very poor player IMO.

[bsg]

I wudn't say a poor player, just a weakness in their games or hav been lucky not to come to such situation yet.

[travz21]

I will never, ever fold KK in a standard 100bb cash game unless there is some batshit crazy action going on with 3 or more other players. I have never encountered this in around 200k hands. So basically I'm never folding KK, period. You have to make the right read on folding KK like 40% of the time (off the top of my head) to break even with the times you make the wrong laydown. I just don't think that's ever going to happen.

[implicitdifferentiation]

the only time you would lay down AA is if you are very close to cashing the next round in a satellite and it's offered to more than 2 players.

[pokerpro]

Pocket pairs are about as strong as AK and people would be so much better of realizing that. 2s 3s 4s etc are folded by me 100% of the time. Pocket Js work for me maybe 20% pf the time. I have never even gone allin pre with AA and post I only call an allin if a total of 3 of us are in the hand. Remember a set of rags will always beat AA

[phaul]

Pocket pairs are about as strong as AK and people would be so much better of realizing that. 2s 3s 4s etc are folded by me 100% of the time. Pocket Js work for me maybe 20% pf the time. I have never even gone allin pre with AA and post I only call an allin if a total of 3 of us are in the hand. Remember a set of rags will always beat AA

Everyone should take this advice. We could all learn a lot. Why do people want to get it in with aces as a crushing favourite preflop? Why would you get it in with aces in a HU pot but not 3-way? My eyes have been opened.

[pokerpro]

ty for the kind words

[travz21]

Pocket pairs are about as strong as AK and people would be so much better of realizing that. 2s 3s 4s etc are folded by me 100% of the time. Pocket Js work for me maybe 20% pf the time. I have never even gone allin pre with AA and post I only call an allin if a total of 3 of us are in the hand. Remember a set of rags will always beat AA

God bless your soul, pokerpro.

[pokerpro]

ty ? I think