How do you play your QQ here?

[Silent_Ac3s]

Once again, I just sat down at this table, I believe it was only my 6th hand of the session so no solid reads. Although, I have played with MOUGLII once before and he was a decent tight aggressive player. POKER H0 if you guys don't know, is considered a professional (tourney player) at Ultimate Bet. I am not sure why he was playing at 50NL cash games, but he definitely was not just throwing some money away because he wasn't doing anything too crazy.

This was the second hand I played out of six, so my image doesn't change anything. I opened utg, 3 bet by utg+1, and then 4 bet pretty large by POKER H0 from the SB.
Any ideas of his range?
Even if we wanted, could we do anything with MOUGLII still left to act behind us?


Stage #1763513012: Holdem No Limit $0.50 - 2009-11-24 13:08:19 (ET)
Table: ROUGE RD (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - TERNOPOL ($22.40 in chips)
Seat 2 - P0KER H0 ($23.75 in chips)
Seat 3 - RASTAFARI14 ($24.25 in chips)
Seat 4 - SILENT_AC3S ($51.10 in chips)
Seat 5 - MOUGLII ($89 in chips)
Seat 6 - HONZACZ ($48.25 in chips)
P0KER H0 - Posts small blind $0.25
RASTAFARI14 - Posts big blind $0.50
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to SILENT_AC3S [Qc Qd]
SILENT_AC3S - Raises $1.75 to $1.75
MOUGLII - Raises $5.50 to $5.50
HONZACZ - Folds
TERNOPOL - Folds
P0KER H0 - Raises $18.50 to $18.75
RASTAFARI14 - Folds

[travz21]

What's with the monster 4bet by POKER H0? This is read dependent, and I'm not very good at putting ranges on 6max. I haven't watched or played enough of it to know the difference in dynamic between that and full ring. I think it's a close shove, but also a close fold. That 4bet just seems like an AK, but he is a pro tourney player and is definitely competent in disguising hands. Could easily be AA or KK. Having Mouglii behind you makes me want to fold, so I guess that's what I'd do. Tough one.

[MikeyEl]

MOUGLI's range is probably 10s+, AQs+, or a bluff

poker h0 is short stacked AND will be OOP PF. He is probably shoving with 88+ or AK.

This is probably spewtastic, but I'd shove to Iso pokerh0. You dominate both of their ranges. It's not a big edge, so I definitely think a fold could be expected (though, i suspect that is exactly what pokerh0 wants.)

[sjones403]

I'd probably just lay this down. It's early in a session with no reads or stats. MOUGLI has your stack covered, and I really don't understand why P0KER H0 is leaving $5 in his stack after the 4 bet. Seems like he wants a caller by raising that amount rather than shoving and you've already said that he's a competent player.

[travz21]

If he wanted a caller he'd make a proper 4bet to ~$13.5

[Silent_Ac3s]

Thanks for your opinions everybody, I ended up folding this hand, along with Mouglii so we will never get to know what exactly POKER H0 had. I mainly folded here because of the large 4 bet and also the fact that Mouglii was still left to act behind me. I highly doubt Mouglii was on a bluff here because I personally have never seen a 3 bet bluff from utg+1 at 50NL before.

[Brooklynbum]

In my experience while playing $50NL, I feel that folding is the best option. There is a raise and a reraise on top of your opening bet and this usually means trouble. But then again I've seen aggressive plays at 6 handed cash games wtih A-10 suited or even 1010 types of hands.

Laying down QQ is tough but in this case a very good move.

The funny thing about cash games from my experience is that players are playing their cash game like it's a tournament so you can feel certain that the villain had a big ace or JJ-AA. It's strange but I feel that I most of profits come from the flop onward as I feel that most opponents at $50NL are incapable of strategic post flop play or are very weak at it.