The Withdraw Poker Mith

[PacHo21]

Hello, I'm new arround here, and this is my first post.

The withdraw mith, is when someone "withdraw" money from any poker room and start to get bad beats (for 1 week).

In my case was true, after my first withdraw i got kicked with AA vs AJ or 1010 vs 99 and so much awsome hands...
What you think? Is this mith or is true?

See ya

[MikeyEl]

Myth............

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[C8H10N4O2]

Hello, I'm new arround here, and this is my first post.

The withdraw mith, is when someone "withdraw" money from any poker room and start to get bad beats (for 1 week).

In my case was true, after my first withdraw i got kicked with AA vs AJ or 1010 vs 99 and so much awsome hands...
What you think? Is this mith or is true?

See ya

You even called it a "mith" yourself.

[travz21]

How this myth got started is probably as follows. As we all know, a fairly good portion of the poker world are losing players...maybe 80%. If there were 80% of winning players, we wouldn't hear many negative things about this great game. That's one reason this myth, and so many others, are so often heard. Another reason is that this portion of losing players will go through bigger downswings than breakeven or winning players, and will experience smaller upswings. When they finally do go on a heater, they'll cash out their winnings and most likely start losing, like they normally do or on a downswing.

If you asked winning players who've cashed out after terrible downswings, I guarantee you that they started winning pretty soon after.

[KINO2WIN]

i dont know if its myth or not. i hear about this situaction and maybe its coincidence or not but sunday i made my first poker stars withdrawl and the next 3 days i had really bad beats.
maybe its coincidence yesterday and today got back to normal, just a little downswing.

i know there are lots of players complaining about what they call "withdrawl curse""....

[gerhardt]

Why do you argue with yourself? , kino2win.

The poker rooms make billions/trillions of $'s from managing the software and the profiles of the ppls who are playing. In other words,they take rake from all games ,eg. $10+$1(rake). Let me break it down for you;

table with 9 players.
Players get shared % of $90 (only 3 paid)
Poker-room x gets $9 for managing the game, and RB gives 30% of rakeback.com/">rake back to you.

My question to you is.. Why would poker-room x want to control you're $0,67( the amount they make of you)? if they have no actual stake in the outcome.
Here is the simplefied breakdown:

9 players play for $90, 3 gets paid (45%/35%/20%) 4 players gets $0
Poker-room x gets $9 -(rakeback from some players).

The myth of you going on a loosing streak is the reason why casino's are making kazillions of $'s.

[thegrizz1111]

of course this "myth" is true. Many sites actually put it in the terms and conditions that everyone skims over. I always read those and in a few i have seen. "We reserve the right to control the outcome in situations where players who have recently cashed out are involved. We make our money by people playing and dont want you to cash out money. So if you cash out some money we will rig the game so that you continue to loose until you deposit again." I seen statements simialar to this one in all the major poker rooms terms and conditions. you really should read the fine print before you play.

[PacHo21]

Why do you argue with yourself? , kino2win.

The poker rooms make billions/trillions of $'s from managing the software and the profiles of the ppls who are playing. In other words,they take rake from all games ,eg. $10+$1(rake). Let me break it down for you;

table with 9 players.
Players get shared % of $90 (only 3 paid)
Poker-room x gets $9 for managing the game, and RB gives 30% of rake back to you.

My question to you is.. Why would poker-room x want to control you're $0,67( the amount they make of you)? if they have no actual stake in the outcome.
Here is the simplefied breakdown:

9 players play for $90, 3 gets paid (45%/35%/20%) 4 players gets $0
Poker-room x gets $9 -(rakeback from some players).

The myth of you going on a loosing streak is the reason why casino's are making kazillions of $'s.

Yes i know that they get rake and they get money from us for "nothing", but if you have money u will make more profit for his room, and when u whitdraw u make them loose chance and profits...
Or maybe is just me or like KINO2WIN that we feel more sure in our game and start to play like fishes and loose. Then we think that the cause is the withdraw...
I think that i got a good conclusion

[frob23]

I have never seen anyone sufficiently explain why a poker site would want to do this. In fact, I would assume the poker site would want the opposite to happen after someone took their money out. That account already has less money in it than it did before, if the player loses then they might move down in stakes or stop playing altogether. And the poker site would see a reduction or complete loss in the rake potential from that player.

There is just no reason for a site to change the outcome because someone withdrew money. People deposit and withdraw all the time. That is just part of doing business. Poker sites make their profits from keeping players happy and providing a service that the players want. It is not in their best interest to mess around.

Also, I have withdrawn from a couple sites before and both times I went on a temporary, but pretty massive, heater... where it seemed like I just could not lose. That was fun and almost made me want to withdraw more often.

[purplechip1]

playing on pokerstars the other week, withdrew every single day for about 6 days..
was on one of the best heaters of my life - seemed like i couldnt lose

[gerhardt]

of course this "myth" is true. Many sites actually put it in the terms and conditions that everyone skims over. I always read those and in a few i have seen. "We reserve the right to control the outcome in situations where players who have recently cashed out are involved. We make our money by people playing and dont want you to cash out money. So if you cash out some money we will rig the game so that you continue to loose until you deposit again." I seen statements simialar to this one in all the major poker rooms terms and conditions. you really should read the fine print before you play.

They don't reserve the right of the outcome of games.
They reserve the right to pay money's to ppl, because they have their reputation, and the integrity of the law abiding players to uphold.

[whitenight]

Well I just had pocket rocks cracked by jacks. Very next hand my A10 all in with remaining chips vs villain's AK. hits 10 on the flop and then an Ace on the turn only to (guess what) crash and burn to the rivered king. Tourney over in two consecutive hands. Btw I do most definitely know that the second hand was not a bad beat when taken from the preflop stage. But from the flop onwards things definitely looked up until rivered bye bye time.

Thing is, I actually didn't cash out before the above just happened. This is just another typical day playing online poker for me, and is so typically the usual luck which I see tourney after tourney. Things go along reasonably well until mid tourney/several hands before the bubble and then kapoot. So, for a change.... I am actually looking forward to even more extreme twists of the most mind dazzling bad beats one could possibly envisage and so... I have now opted to test the cashout myth. Frankly, I don't for a moment expect to see any change whatsoever as far as luck is concerned. The 'alliniots' seem to have the edge in online poker as far as I can tell - cash out myth or no cash out myth.

Anyway, I just withdrew $250 usd from stars. Let's see what happens then in the next few tourneys. If the cashout myth is true then something unbelievably sinister could hit my pixellated cards in the next few tourneys. Otherwise, the usual bad beats will just kick me out of tourneys, same as ever. More later ;-)

Edit: just thinking - if the poker sites really like to punish people for withdrawing surely the converse should be just as true: "the cash in myth". In other words, drop a few dollars into your account and your bad beats should diminish (thus reflecting the site's supposed happiness at your adding to their overall balance). Of course because whiners make more noise, we may never see evidence of such a cash in myth.

[gerhardt]

Don't understand me wrong. I'm not defending the sites we play at(how naiif).
All I'm saying is that the sites gain nothing by controlling the outcome of a game. They don't controll my every move, and choises I make are my free-will.

[whitenight]

So the first tourney I played after withdrawing (...250 in the name of research!) was a sat to the sunday 1/4 mill and there was absolutely no change in my luck whatsoever. That is to say, there was absolutely no change in my usual luck... Ahem: 12 from the money, I lost all in pf holding AJo to another's Q8o

He hit the 8 on the flp and then to kick me when I was down the other Q showed up on the turn.

But then again, that is absolutely typical of how I hit the exit doors, that I am still waiting to see evidence of the accursed 'withdraw myth'

[adonthenet]

Why do you argue with yourself? , kino2win.

The poker rooms make billions/trillions of $'s from managing the software and the profiles of the ppls who are playing. In other words,they take rake from all games ,eg. $10+$1(rake). Let me break it down for you;


table with 9 players.
Players get shared % of $90 (only 3 paid)
Poker-room x gets $9 for managing the game, and RB gives 30% of rake back to you.

My question to you is.. Why would poker-room x want to control you're $0,67( the amount they make of you)? if they have no actual stake in the outcome.
Here is the simplefied breakdown:

9 players play for $90, 3 gets paid (45%/35%/20%) 4 players gets $0
Poker-room x gets $9 -(rakeback from some players).

The myth of you going on a loosing streak is the reason why casino's are making kazillions of $'s.

Yes, Exactly but usually it is 50% first place, 30% 2nd and 20% 3rd =) at least on FTP I think...

[gerhardt]

So the first tourney I played after withdrawing (...250 in the name of research!) was a sat to the sunday 1/4 mill and there was absolutely no change in my luck whatsoever. That is to say, there was absolutely no change in my usual luck... Ahem: 12 from the money, I lost all in pf holding AJo to another's Q8o

He hit the 8 on the flp and then to kick me when I was down the other Q showed up on the turn.

But then again, that is absolutely typical of how I hit the exit doors, that I am still waiting to see evidence of the accursed 'withdraw myth'

This does'nt prove the tilt after cash-out isue. It's a bad beat AJ(65%)vs donk Q8(35%). He just hit his donkey cards, and won.

[whitenight]

gerhardt: with all respect, ya might be missing my point...

I am indeed just showing nothing unusual i.e. my run of bad luck is absolutely normal after withdrawing. Bad beats do indeed continue absolutely as before my withdrawal.

[PacHo21]

Players starts to need more luck against the donks like me

[C8H10N4O2]

I withdrew recently after gonig on a downswing (sometime last week). The next two days I played 150 HU $2/$3 matches and made $40+ an hour, running 10 buy-ins above EV and being in the money more than 85% of the time. Every hand seemed to hold up.

[travz21]

I thought about cashing out since I've been on like a 80k hand cold streak, but I don't need the money. I kinda just want to make a point.