10NL 6 - handed - KK UTG

[MikeyEl]

I don't have a good read on the villain, but he was running 15/6 over 150 hands.

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Poker Tools by Stoxpoker - Hand Details


MP: $4.26 (42.6 bb)
CO: $28.33 (283.3 bb)
BTN: $6.85 (68.5 bb)
SB: $9.99 (99.9 bb)
BB: $10.01 (100.1 bb)
Hero (UTG): $14.02 (140.2 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises to $0.35, MP folds, CO calls $0.35, BTN calls $0.35, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.20) 3 T 6 (3 players)
Hero bets $1.20, CO folds, BTN calls $1.20

Turn: ($3.60) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $5.30 and is all-in, Hero ???

I was really lost after he called the flop bet, and was prepared to play for a small pot, so I checked the turn. And I was even more lost when he shoved turn. wtf? My experience has been overbets in micros = set.

Should I call?

Should I have fired another bet on the turn, and call any raise? And oh well if he has a set?

[HeyKidMove]

I would call. I'm sure there are hands you beat in his range. He could easily be shoving JJ, QQ, or a pair + FD. I would have bet the turn though. When you check, you put yourself in a spot like this. You also give him a chance to check back a FD and possibly catch for free. If you bet the turn, you're obviously calling a shove, since it wouldn't be much more to call.

[travz21]

I don't know why you would ever fold here. I like checking with the intention of check/raising all in, but I'm not so sure you were doing that.

Villain's range is massive here. Could have any T, any flush draw, any middle pocket pair, any middle pair, total air. Checking the turn and giving up the initiative is an invitation for a lot of bluffy moves by bad players, which is why checking this turn can give you more value than betting in cases like these. Betting turn can get hands like 76s, 88, Tx, and other possible non calling hands on the turn to fold, which we don't want. If they do check back, there can be quite a few scare cards on the river, but by checking the turn for value, you've also pot controlled for the times they do check back with 88, T7s, etc. which will hopefully allow you to get more value on the river because of your "weak" turn play in their eyes. This will also allow you to see cheaper showdowns in the future when you have semi strong hands (middle pair, top pair/weak kicker) since the table will see you check turns OOP with overpair type hands, making them cautious about trying to bluff or even bet with value type hands.

[travz21]

With that being said, I've also seen retards play AA or sets like this, which is incomprehensible to me at this level.

[MikeyEl]

I don't know why you would ever fold here. I like checking with the intention of check/raising all in, but I'm not so sure you were doing that.

Villain's range is massive here. Could have any T, any flush draw, any middle pocket pair, any middle pair, total air. Checking the turn and giving up the initiative is an invitation for a lot of bluffy moves by bad players, which is why checking this turn can give you more value than betting in cases like these. Betting turn can get hands like 76s, 88, Tx, and other possible non calling hands on the turn to fold, which we don't want. If they do check back, there can be quite a few scare cards on the river, but by checking the turn for value, you've also pot controlled for the times they do check back with 88, T7s, etc. which will hopefully allow you to get more value on the river because of your "weak" turn play in their eyes. This will also allow you to see cheaper showdowns in the future when you have semi strong hands (middle pair, top pair/weak kicker) since the table will see you check turns OOP with overpair type hands, making them cautious about trying to bluff or even bet with value type hands.

This was truly my intention when I made the check. I didn't think I'd be able to get 3 streets of value if he had TP, so I checked the turn hoping he'd bet. If he bet the turn, I'd probably bet the pot on the river. If he checked, I was probably going to make a smaller value bet on the river.

But my plan was muddled when he shoved. I guess I had a case of being-coolered-itis because I ended up folding this. I really wish I had bet out, it would have made calling a no-brainer, but even when I was contemplating betting out I was scared he had a set. I'm such a nit.

I'm still adjusting to two things: 1) 6-max play and 2) checking the turn for value. I just have not seen enough hands to have a good feel for someone's range in this spot.

I guess what I didn't realize is that someone's range is a lot wider for overshoving a pot that was checked to them than it is if they re-raise a bet of mine. And therefore I should be calling both bets, but for different reasons. I should be calling the check-shove line because I have his range dominated; and I should be calling his re-raise shove because of a combination of pot odds/range. Would you guys agree?

[travz21]

Yes .