Couple Confused Spots

[Silent_Ac3s]

Alright, here is the first hand.

1.) Hand #1821715800 begins at 2009/12/27
Dealt to SILENT_AC3S [Qd Ks]
KLEINDUS111 posts the small blind of $0.25
JOHNRITE posts the big blind of $0.50
SILENT_AC3S raises to $1.75.
INEEDMONEY44 calls $1.75.
DIXIE28 calls $1.75.
KLEINDUS111 calls $1.50.
JOHNRITE folds.
Dealing Flop [3s Th Qc]
KLEINDUS111 checks.
SILENT_AC3S bets $4.50.
INEEDMONEY44 folds.
DIXIE28 calls $4.50.
KLEINDUS111 folds.
Dealing Turn [9d]
SILENT_AC3S bets $10.
DIXIE28 calls $10.
Dealing River [2s]
SILENT_AC3S - ????????

DIXIE28 had been playing very passive, running around 29 VPIP with a pre-flop raise of 0, yes 0, over 75 hands. His calling behind range could be very wide here.
I could have checked the turn to bet the river, but I'd rather not give straight draws the free card when possible. I hate to check/call here because there are too many hands ahead of me betting for value and not enough weaker ones making a move. Leading out large only gets called by better hands, a small bet could get a call from a J10 or QJ type hand still, but could definitely get a missed draw to shove over it. To me a check/fold to a solid river bet appears to be the best play in this situation now that I look at it. Mainly because...
1) He will obviously be betting with his hands stronger than my KQ.
2) What hands could he call two streets with nothing here to bluff the river? Most of his straight draws will have some showdown value on this board, allowing him to check behind mediocre hands.
3) Three streets of value after a 4-way flop with KQ on this board is rarely going to be ahead.
I definitely confused myself on this one, could use any help!

Here is the second hand later in the session..

2.) Hand #1821718310 begins at 2009/12/27
Dealt to SILENT_AC3S [Ks Ac]
ROCCODOG13 posts the small blind of $0.25
TEXASTEDDY posts the big blind of $0.50
YUROKWMN folds.
JSCHERF folds.
CAGDE raises to $1.
SILENT_AC3S raises to $3.75.
ROCCODOG13 folds.
TEXASTEDDY folds.
CAGDE calls $2.75.
Dealing Flop [Ah Td 3d]
CAGDE bets $0.50.
SILENT_AC3S raises to $5.
CAGDE calls $4.50. <-- This was a SNAP call.
Dealing Turn [4d]
CAGDE bets $18.25. <-- Snap shove as well.
SILENT_AC3S folds.
CAGDE wins $16.85

Only a few hands on the player, nothing amazing.
Tptk is obviously a decent hand, but with my experience snap calls followed by full pots after a draw hits are straights/flushes way too often. The only other possibility could be something like a set of 3s that got scared by the diamond and rushed it on the turn, which is still far ahead of my tptk. Just double checking with you guys on the fold here, thanks.

[travz21]

I don't like the turn bet OOP in hand 1. It's hard to get flop and turn value from a hand you're beating here. If he was spewy and passive, then I'd feel fine betting. On this river, however, I'd definitely be ok with check/folding to any sensible bet since he's semi-loose/passive. These guys don't bluff too often in my experience. This doesn't rule out them thinking Q8 is a value-type hand on the river, so check/folding could still be the wrong move now and then. What would you do with an overpair or total air? Just wondering for balancing's sake if this were a reg.

Hand 2 is a fold without anything on villain. I don't think they are doing this with Ax, flush draw, or air enough for a call to make sense. If this were a reg, they could shove any 2 knowing you'd have a really hard time calling without AA, TT, AKdd, AQdd, or AJdd, which is unlikely for you to have, unless your 3betting range is really wide. If you do 3bet light, or just 3bet really light against minraises, this reg would have a hard time shoving turn light as well, since your range could include any set, flush, or two pair instead of the limited range listed previously.

[snipermcgees]

I also like a turn check in hand #1.
You're ahead of A-10, J-10, Q-J, J-9, JJ which make up a good part of your opponents range, but leading big on the turn OOP cuts most of those out and leaves a tough river decision. I like your river options if the turn goes check-check or check-call much better.
75 hands isn't very many, but it might be nice to know your opponents WTSD and won money at showdown numbers.

As played, what do you do if your opponent bets $15 on the river (assuming you check)?

I like the fold in hand #2 and your reasoning. I think bad opponents might hurry the chips in with two pair as well, but this is a flush most of the time.
I'd probably raise smaller on the flop ($3.75 again maybe).

[travz21]

I also like a turn check in hand #1.
You're ahead of A-10, J-10, Q-J, J-9, JJ which make up a good part of your opponents range, but leading big on the turn OOP cuts most of those out and leaves a tough river decision. I like your river options if the turn goes check-check or check-call much better.
75 hands isn't very many, but it might be nice to know your opponents WTSD and won money at showdown numbers.

As played, what do you do if your opponent bets $15 on the river (assuming you check)?

I like the fold in hand #2 and your reasoning. I think bad opponents might hurry the chips in with two pair as well, but this is a flush most of the time.
I'd probably raise smaller on the flop ($3.75 again maybe).

So what do you do in hand #1 if we check turn and villain bets? We obv can't call 2 more streets unimproved, and we're going to be barelled on again on the river if villain knows anything. Against this type of player, though, that will never happen if we have the best hand. This guy will never bluff 2 streets. I still like a bet on the turn and a c/f to a reasonable bet on the river. Maybe even some weird blocker/value bet on the river against this opponent could be +EV. He could crying call a lot of his range and he won't really raise ever unless he has a straight.

[snipermcgees]

So what do you do in hand #1 if we check turn and villain bets? We obv can't call 2 more streets unimproved, and we're going to be barelled on again on the river if villain knows anything. Against this type of player, though, that will never happen if we have the best hand. This guy will never bluff 2 streets. I still like a bet on the turn and a c/f to a reasonable bet on the river. Maybe even some weird blocker/value bet on the river against this opponent could be +EV. He could crying call a lot of his range and he won't really raise ever unless he has a straight.

It's a tough spot, and I'm not 100% on the turn check, but don't you think him not bluffing twice makes it better to check the turn? We give our opponent a better bluff spot on the river the way the hand is played. Alternatively, if we check the turn, opponent could bluff turn and then check behind river, or check behind turn and bluff river (assuming opponent doesn't run a two-street bluff often).

We can check-call a smallish bet on the turn (if we're behind we have at least 12 outs against a huge part of his range - i.e. two pair hands).

If we agree on a range we could poker stove it and get an idea of just how big a bet we can call (which would probably be a good exercise).

I guess in spots like this, I like to let the opponent do the bet-sizing to try to get at his or her range. In my experience, when an opponent calls a big OOP bet on the turn they could hold a lot of hands and frequently fire after a river check. Now we're left to catch a bluff in a pretty big pot. If we check-call the turn, opponent might bet smaller and (I think) check behind a nice part of their range on the river.

[travz21]

This guy's range will be huge with his flop call. He drools all over the table. Could have any gut shot, open ender, any pair, and maybe even A9 shit. I know we aren't given an aggro factor on the villain, but I've never seen a 29/0 play anything aggressively post flop besides the nuts. I still think they'll call light on the turn and won't bet river unless they have us beat. These guys can even flat call a straight on the turn, flat call two streets with a set, etc., but they also just burn money away with retarded calls. B/f turn and c/f river imo.