I am not a great player... but at least I'm winning.

[frob23]

As many of you might know, I am a little OCD about logging everything. I've logged the last 76,131 hands of No Limit Hold'em that I have played. There are parts where I can easily see that I am learning and trying to improve but not really a winning player. And then I can see that I have a clue but I am still not a great player.



As you can see. I'm winning at a fairly steady (although swingy) pace. My worst issue is still my tilt control. It's hard to tell from looking at the graph unless you know where to look but I have easily tilted off 6+ buy-ins at times. I would be much better off if I had just had the strength to get up and leave the tables. Even this month, where I ran really well, I had a session where I tilted off 9 buy-ins.

If I had been wise and called it quits after 4-5 of those (hopefully even less) I would be a much more consistent and faster paced winner.

I figured I'd share the graph so you can all giggle and laugh at how little I really make playing. It works out to about 4.2ptBB/100 for the total amount of hands. It's not a horrible winrate but a "good" player at these limits should really be doing better than 7ptBB/100.

Edit: You can see the 9 buy-in tilt off around hand number 70,000. And if you look... you will see other areas where I experience a pretty massive fall over a couple points. Those are usually 1 session of 2+ tables. Each point is recorded when I finish a table. I've probably tilted off as many buy-ins as I have won over this number of hands... maybe even more.

[travz21]

If you were 16tabling it'd be really impressive. Still, 4.2BB/100 4tabling, or whatever you do, is still better than virtually everyone playing those limits.

[frob23]

If you were 16tabling it'd be really impressive. Still, 4.2BB/100 4tabling, or whatever you do, is still better than virtually everyone playing those limits.

Yeah, it's 4 tabling. If I ever get a better computer and a real poker tracker, I'll add more tables. I still think it's not a really impressive winrate. Actually... the last 1/3rd of the hands I've been playing a lot better.

The last 28k hands or so... I've run 6.8ptBB/100 which is fairly respectable. And I haven't run all that well for a lot of them and had a couple big tilt-offs during that time. The first 2/3rds of the hands I was a losing player (or at best slightly above breakeven) and that's brought the whole rate down.

Edit: On a nice side note, none of this includes rakeback. That would provide a nice bump to the ptBB/100. I am not sure what it would be and have no easy way to calculate it. But it's probably between 1-2ptBB/100 for the entire time. I love my rakeback. At the start, where I wasn't winning all that much, the rakeback kept me near to break even.

ReEdit: Ok... it's closer to 1.1ptBB/100 for the rakeback over all the hands (including those played on sites without rakeback). I have a fair amount of hands where I play on sites without rakeback (for whatever reason). That still helps a lot.

[allthatremains]

I think you have a great win rate.

Question - If your rakeback is 1.1ptBB/100 and it is only from part of your play, and it would only account for 27-30% of your rake paid, what does an average micro player pay in actual rake, before rakeback (in ptBB/100)?

[frob23]

I am not sure how accurate these numbers are but I calculate it to be approximately 5.76ptBB/100 in gross rake for me over the last year on Nordica. And the rakeback on there to be about 1.73ptBB/100. So the net rake is about 4.03ptBB/100. If you're playing on there, you need to beat those numbers to break even or make a profit.

Of course, these number aren't massively accurate but they should be pretty close. I also play a high variance game at times (especially 6-max at the micros) so I tend to generate a lot of rake. Some players might not have as much rake per hundred hands. I suppose some could have more.

This also includes all my levels from $4NL to $25NL and some of those are sure to generate more rake ptBB/100 than other levels.