>> 2 Thumbs down for FT's Rush Poker

[envercaushaj]

In my opinion this was for weak and fish-type players or players who just started to play poker!!!! This was so stupid, you wait for a good hand and with out knowing it you get blinded out really fast like I did playing only 20 mins on 4 tables and I lost half of the stacks on the tables just posting blinds!!!! And even when u get a good hand and you raise, guess what???? people fold because they wait for good hands too!!!! There is no playing poker here, no strategy, its basically missing the morale of playing poker!!!!

This is just for FT to get the rake faster then they do at regular tables, nothing more than that!!!!

[travz21]

Rush poker gets fish playing way more hands/hr. It appeals to fish who hate waiting for hands to play. Yeah, it will tighten the games up quite a bit, but people are playing way too passively pf. They also overplay their big hands. There are way more mistakes to be made at Rush. I still think I'd rather play regular cash games and use all of my poker arsenal, but poker should also be about having fun. And that's what Rush is. There won't be light 3bets, 4bets, shoves. There won't be too many crazy bluffs. It's not going to help anyone's game, but as long as I keep my normal poker game in shape I don't really care.

[pajala]

There are weak players in all cash games how u abuse them and take there money requires agression, position and post flop skills, not waiting for the magical rockets

I cant see how your losing half you stack to blinds in 20 minutes, in order to do that you would have to posting over 50% of your hands and the software is developed to not allow this, however the randomness of your position in each hand may cause you positional problems which could be causing your ability to play enough hands.

I agree the weak passives are waiting for good hands, good players will use the overall skill to abuse them.

I look at Rapid for the skilled player as a major opportuntiy to make good money in a short space of time without the need to have 16 tables running, you can now 4 table and see the same amount of hands and be able to concetrate better overall

Yes its application to develop faster rake for FTP but in return u see more hands there you generate more rake and FT Points in the same given time if you playing 4 standard tables. I see it as win for FTP and a win for the players.

Good luck at the tables but I am a fan of the product and I can see the benefits far outway the problems

[C8H10N4O2]

More hands of +EV poker = More $. More hands of -EV poker = Less $. I've played this stuff for half an hour now, just one table and it seems to be pretty soft despite little to no reads on people. Play +EV poker and I don't see any problems with this. It definitely feels like it requires some adjustments compared to a normal cash table, but hey, anytime there is an edge to be exploited, exploit it.

[ballboy75]

I havent played it yet but I dont think it is bad or anything.
Its merely another attempt by FTP to attract new players, and I believe this new format will do just that.

[bsg]

Seems it's multi-tabling simplifed. It's rather profitable at the moment. However, I fear this might become a good training ground to develope many more grinders to compete.. I suppose if you're a +EV player then it doesn't matter in the long run.

I'm making a profit but not quite loving it. The swings and pace are making me a bit spewy.

[travz21]

The swings and pace are making me a bit spewy.

Welcome to the world of 500+ hands/hr. Enjoy your stay.

[travz21]

I'm going to attempt 8tabling Rush tomorrow. 4 nl50's and 4 nl25's. 2.5k hands an hour is even making me a little queasy.

Edit: and I wish they'd start getting some nl200 and higher Rush limits going. I feel like all the midstakes-highstakes players are playing nl100 Rush right now. Don't feel like exchanging/losing money at the moment.

[C8H10N4O2]

2.5k hands an hour!? Good luck. How long are you going to go for that? 2 hours? 5k hands a day in two hours is nasty.

I just tried 4 tables. Wow. I played 102 hands in 7ish minutes. The thought of 8 tables nearly makes my head explode.

But at the same time, the more I play it, the more I like it I guess. It just seems like people are playing so poorly in these things.

[frob23]

In 369 hands of full ring, I posted 43 big blinds and 47 small blinds. Pure chance would have me posting 41 of each of these over that amount of hands in a typical session. So I was a little unlucky with the amount of times I ended up in the blinds but not much beyond what you can expect. In an hour, I did pay $6.65 in blinds on this one table (yes, it was 369 hands in an hour).

Had I done nothing but fold my blinds and win the blinds every other time I raised, it would be hard to lose half my stack to the blinds in 20 minutes. I just don't see that happening unless you end up in the small blind every single hand you're not the big blind.

I found this to be extremely profitable. Running almost +22ptBB/100 might not be sustainable even in this format but it wasn't all that hard either. It takes some adjustment and you need to play against the standard unknown player a lot. But I play short sessions often so I'm almost always against a bunch of randoms that I don't know.

[Sick_pro]

I love it!
No more waiting anymore.

[testreet]

hmm.. I have yet to try the rush poker but of course it is a way for the site to rake in alot more of our buy in money

[allthatremains]

I played it for about an hour today. I think it's awesome. It's like 4-10 tabling (depending how nitty you are) with the convenience of only having to open/focus on one table.

I believe it will even out the field quite a bit for players like me who never used a hud, tracking software or kept notes on other players. I'm sure some regs who do all of these things will hate it, but they can play elsewhere.

For me, this is by far the biggest innovation in online poker since I started playing 4-5 years ago.

[C8H10N4O2]

Are you guys all buying in full for these things? I usually would think buying in full is advantageous, but a lot of that stems from being able to exploit reads on people, so I'm not sure how I feel about these yet. I don't know, this format is just so weird.

[travz21]

Are you guys all buying in full for these things? I usually would think buying in full is advantageous, but a lot of that stems from being able to exploit reads on people, so I'm not sure how I feel about these yet. I don't know, this format is just so weird.

I'm buying in full. What's the point of nitting it up if you're not going to be trying to get your whole stack in when you get premiums? The thing you're exploiting here is that everyone sucks and are making -EV moves all over the place. All you have to do is play slightly better than them and you'll win money in the long run.

[travz21]

I found this to be extremely profitable. Running almost +22ptBB/100 might not be sustainable even in this format but it wasn't all that hard either.

If this winrate were actually sustainable, why aren't you grinding out 1k+ hands/hr and playing this for a living? You'd be making like $53/hr plus rakeback at nl10, 4tabling Rush. Easy living imo.

Pretty much the highest sustainable winrate at 6max is ~10BB/100....in theory. I've never heard of anyone having higher than 6BB/100 over a trustable sample size (200k+ hands).

[frob23]

I don't currently have rakeback at Full Tilt. Which sucks.

But if this winrate was sustainable... I would be tempted to play a lot more often. lol...

369 hands isn't enough to know for sure what my real winrate at this game would be. But it was a nice start.

[pajala]

Are you guys all buying in full for these things? I usually would think buying in full is advantageous, but a lot of that stems from being able to exploit reads on people, so I'm not sure how I feel about these yet. I don't know, this format is just so weird.

Since the change FT has imposed min buy ins across all tables this is also the case with Rapid, cant tell you what it is but I think is 40BB (Please dont me to this)

I always buy in the full amount when you get your big hands you want to get paid well no point stock stack 50% which I think is the minimum you cant put any post flop pressure on these guys they will call you do as it doesnt impact them this much

Played 1000 hands today at 13BB if you play good solid poker you can make good money @ the 25NL level plenty of fish to catch could imagine it would be even better at the 10NL

For the HUD boys good luck PT will not keep up however your database still works well, now these HUD boys are going to have to rely on something else other the stats to make the decision for them

I more I play it the more I love it

[C8H10N4O2]

I think it's 40BB in the rush tables but 35BB's in other tables. I need to figure out how to keep my HUD from popping up on these tables too... it's pointless as it will only show stats on people I'm not playing.

I'm liking it a lot more too as I play it more, but I'm primarily sticking to $10nl. I'm going to see if I can grind for an hour or so 4 tables at $10nl and see how it works out. I did 33 minutes earlier before I went crazy, so it should be interesting.

Edit: well, my internet is acting up a bit, so I don't know that I'll get the chance to try for a solid hour yet.

[Brooklynbum]

It's actually ok for me. I tried it today and just two tables of $25 as a test run. It's alright because you get to see a lot of hands and if you're a solid player on the plus side of things, then it's actually ok because you're going to be making more money in the long run. The only problem that I have is that you can't target other players in the sense that you're not taking notes of tendencies etc. Otherwise I think if you play solid tight aggressive ABC poker there's no reason why you can't win big here.