I need a Tranquilizer shot

[ballboy75]

Back to my old self. I hopped on the steam train and tilted like you wouldnt believe.
I lost at 0.5\1 like 170$ and then had 500$ left.
I figured that justified me going up to 2\4$ HU cash lol.
the long of short of it is I destroyed the other dude, took his money and the rest is history.
I entered with 180, he had 280 if i aint mistaking, maybe less. I started off poorly, dropped to 80 and then came back to eventually take down a 400$ pot. not too proud of myself
I am extremly disappointed in myself for going up the stakes, especially after I told myself it wont happen again.
Nothing conventional helps keep me calm after a loss. I seriously need your help guys.
Im completly out of ideas and I dont want to see this money vanish in 3 hands.
any good books or methods that help prevent this form happening?
I will consider any and all solutions you throw at me. Are there any good books on the issue or methods to rashion a BR so you cant lose it all at once?

p.s I guess this means I answer "yes" to a few more of those addiction quiz questions

[C8H10N4O2]

Switch to pokerstars and set up a limit to keep you from doing it. They have a way that you can ban yourself from playing higher than X stake. Other than that, I don't see any way you can use outside sources to not allow yourself to keep on doing this. I mean, you could make it where at any point if you go above what you should, you have to pay X amount to someone close to you, but then that'll just make you start hiding the fact that you are doing it. The best idea is you could just use bankroll management and you wouldn't have been playing $100nl to begin. Therefore you would have avoided your tilting session. You cannot sustain forever doing things like this. Look at your account and imagine it saying $0 and realize that's where it'll be in a few days if you continue. I've been there, and it's not pretty and pretty much blows after it hits you hard like that. You are getting reinforced with really bad practices because it keeps working out for you, but it won't always. This is something you keep asking us for "a magical answer" and it just doesn't exist. Buckle down and work on your discipline or go bust. It's up to you. If you can't, poker probably isn't for you and you should stop while you actually are ahead.

[Sick_pro]

Uhh, dont play cashgames.
Its much easier to manage your bankroll if you only play sng's.
I know what you mean with winning your lost money back by playing higher stakes, just learn from it and dont do that anymore.

[C8H10N4O2]

Uhh, dont play cashgames.
Its much easier to manage your bankroll if you only play sng's.
I know what you mean with winning your lost money back by playing higher stakes, just learn from it and dont do that anymore.

On this note, don't play HU either. It's much more swingy.

[Sick_pro]

True, and less skill involved too

[ballboy75]

Dew, I didnt quite get that part about taking money from people who are close to me.
Did you mean like borrowing money each time for a new BR? if so, you can relax bro,
this is all money I made from 0$. started from a freeroll and the rest is history.
Im not going to deposit any money in the near future, so Im not worried about losing money from my own pocket as it were. It would be a shame to lose this hard earned money after so many months of play.
I guess you are right, there is no "magical answer", however badly I want and need there to be one.
Suppose I do start rashioning myself and sticking firmly to a BR plan, how can I stop another explosion other than by will power?
And I aint going to PS, im in love with Tilt. Are there any good books anyone knows on the matter which I might be able to order on line?
I know one thing, I dont wanna end up like TJ Cloutier!!!

[bsg]

or high stake super turbo, u might as well be playing roulette.

May I suggest withdrawing 90% of your bankroll, it might hit your rakeback but it'll save you a lot more money in the long run.

It's pretty cool how you are sharing your problems, I have trouble admitting to my tilting sessions. I sometimes just take a break after losing 1 or 2 Buy-ins. Especially with rush I need to make sure I don't continue playing when I'm losing as some days I'm just not thinking straight with my game.

[bsg]

"When we sit down at a table, every hour we're essentially doing a coin toss for a rack of chips. Now if you're a skilled player you may have an overlay of half a stack (assuming 100 chips in a rack and 20 in a stack). So if you're a skilled $3-6 player, it's like flipping a coin and getting $120 if you win and losing $100 if you lose or if you're a 15-30 player it's $600 if you win, $500 if you lose. Now this is a pretty huge edge when compared to blackjack on a per-hand basis but we shouldn't be too surprised at all if we get on a bad streak and lose $3000. How easy is it to flip tails 6 times a row? It's bound to happen if you flip coins all the time -- now 10 or 15 in a row is a little unlucky but nothing too phenomenal." quote from Bill Chen.

After reading that, it helped me see things long term. Drum into your head that there'll be losing days, I've heard of pros going on 3 month downswing and even Doyl Brunson last year made no money and talked about dropping from the high stakes if it continues this year.

[ballboy75]

I aint gonna withdraw 90% of my BR, r u nuts?!?!?!
what will i have left to play with???
I havent played any super turbos in a while, except the MTT's, i really like them and im pretty decent at them as well. Ive been playing mainly cash games (shallow) and some SNG's.
Ill throw in a small MTT every now and then but I won 2 26$ tokens a few days ago and I have no idea what to use them one...
about sharing your problems, no one here is gonna say anything mean to you, on the contrary, the mods here are all cool, except DEW maybe who pulled a 2 outer on me a while back in the PTOTW. they genuinly seem to care about the problems and im sure your case aint as bad as mine. aint no shame in seeking advice.

p.s why do like a million lines of this :} ".fieldset, .fieldset td, .fieldset p, .fieldset li { font-size: 11px; } /* ***** don't change the following ***** */ form { display: inline; } label { cursor: default; } .normal { font-weight: normal; } .inlineimg { vertical-align: middle; } "
show up on the top of my thread? every tiem i come in i get a massive amount of that code or whatever it is.
Its only in my thread and its only since today. any ideas?

[C8H10N4O2]

I wasn't talking about taking money from anyone. I was talking about your paying other people. Here... example. "Hey _____ (insert closest friend's name here), I've been making a lot of money playing poker, but I have a tilt issue I need help with. Anytime I play above _____ (insert stake that is above your bankroll here), I'm going to give you _____ (insert $ amount that you really would not want to lose, like 1/2 a buy-in at that higher stake or something) and I expect you to hold me to that." Now moving up stakes just became automatically became -EV.

Honestly dude, stop looking so much for a magical answer on how to stop explosions. You have to look inside yourself to find this answer. However, I have read in places [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Poker-Mindset-Essential-Attitudes-Success/dp/0974150231/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1264846612&sr=8-1"]The Poker Mindset[/ame] and [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Poker-Winners-Different-Alan-Schoonmaker/dp/081840728X/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1264846612&sr=8-3"]Poker Winners Are Different[/ame] are both relatively decent books. However, both books aren't going to give you magical powers to stop tilting. You honestly sound like you are going to have to learn it the hard way, but I really hope you don't.

[bsg]

I love the sat MTT as well.
With the $26 token I tend to use them for the matrix turbo. Good if you are use to multi tabling. You'll run into people not use or the higher limits with their token. I find it pretty profitable, less of a grind than cash games. I think I'm going to play less of rush as I don't have the mentality for it, too mind numbing.

sng ftw.

[ProtekYoNuts]

I aint gonna withdraw 90% of my BR, r u nuts?!?!?!
what will i have left to play with???
I havent played any super turbos in a while, except the MTT's, i really like them and im pretty decent at them as well. Ive been playing mainly cash games (shallow) and some SNG's.
Ill throw in a small MTT every now and then but I won 2 26$ tokens a few days ago and I have no idea what to use them one...
about sharing your problems, no one here is gonna say anything mean to you, on the contrary, the mods here are all cool, except DEW maybe who pulled a 2 outer on me a while back in the PTOTW. they genuinly seem to care about the problems and im sure your case aint as bad as mine. aint no shame in seeking advice.

p.s why do like a million lines of this :} ".fieldset, .fieldset td, .fieldset p, .fieldset li { font-size: 11px; } /* ***** don't change the following ***** */ form { display: inline; } label { cursor: default; } .normal { font-weight: normal; } .inlineimg { vertical-align: middle; } "
show up on the top of my thread? every tiem i come in i get a massive amount of that code or whatever it is.
Its only in my thread and its only since today. any ideas?

As for the 2 26 tokens I recommend playing a late nl tourney this week that has an overlay.. because its double garuantee week. As far as bankroll mangement I do the same when I m losing I go up in stakes 90% of the time I lose. When Im winning and I go up about 50% I usually win.Bottom line is when im losing Im most likely off my game and playing bad plus running bad. My state of mind is bad to.. so why step up..I guess I like steping on my sex ORGAN.. I justed learn how to control it recently only through displine. You keep coming here asking for help nobody.. not even Dr. Phil can help you Only you can put an end to this .

[ballboy75]

Dew, you couldnt be more correct, and thats the point.
Im begining to realize im bound to learn the hard way if i dont change my ways fast.
Ill look into those books, they cant hurt, thats for sure. Ive already had once crash, i dropped down from like 900$ to 60$. I bounced back up but it gave me a shock.
the memory of it stings my mind but it just doesnt seem enough to prevent me from acting like an addict.
maybe i should take some ritalin before i start playing.

[ProtekYoNuts]

As for the 2 26 tokens I recommend playing a late nl tourney this week that has an overlay.. because its double garuantee week. As far as bankroll mangement I do the same when I m losing I go up in stakes 90% of the time I lose. When Im winning and I go up about 50% I usually win.Bottom line is when im losing Im most likely off my game and playing bad plus running bad. My state of mind is bad to.. so why step up..I guess I like steping on my sex ORGAN.. I justed learn how to control it recently only through displine. You keep coming here asking for help nobody.. not even Dr. Phil can help you Only you can put an end to this .

The post were at the same time Bump...

[ballboy75]

Im proud to report that things have been going well the last few days, no tilts and no higher stakes. I havent played that much, but still, I can tell ive been playing in a calm and collected manner.
DEW and TRAVZ, you guys both said you learned the hard way.
can you share the details if it aint too personal.
Im sure hearing more stories will only help me, along with others in future bad sessions when we feel the need to blow up.

[C8H10N4O2]

You need more than stories to help you.

It's also not hard to imagine. Put in $25, ran it up like none other from partially running good and not having anyone suck out on me, start following bankroll management as soon as the amount of money actually means something to me... take a series of bad beats, get frustrated because I expected to make money at the same rate I was while running hot, move up stakes and stop following bankroll management, lose bankroll. I've done it a few times. Luckily after a few times though, I've learned if I start feeling that way again, the easiest thing to do is cash everything out and take a break for a while in order to prevent me from playing more. Since I've dealt with it for so long, I'm finally following bankroll management crazy strictly, and what do you know? I feel better about my play and the swings. At one point recently I had lost 10 buy-ins and EV said I should be up 12 buy-ins for a 22 buy-in difference. I was frustrated, but it didn't hurt as much since I still had plenty of roll to play with. 230 sng's later, my EV's almost lined up again and I've made a decent amount of money while never moving up stakes whatsoever. Exact same buy-in the entire time. It's taken me a while to learn the discipline for BRM, and by no means am I perfect, but I'm a completely different person about it than I was a year ago. And trust me, I've run my BR just as high as you have lately and then proceeded to lose 1/2 of it by being an idiot.

[ballboy75]

well, thats pretty nice, except the crashing part of course.
I've been finding it relativly easy to play in the 0.5\1 and 0.25\0.5 shallow tables.
Im pretty good at it and because of that I stay pretty calm. no sudden RISE in the stakes.
I feel though that when ever I reach 900-1200$, I sorta go stuck if you know what I mean.
I dont know why but I have a much harder time winning. I dont go up in the stakes much (if at all) so i think its probably just because im worried about losing the money that ive accumilated.
I see 2 solutions to this problem:
1) take a hunk of money out and try to build up again.
2) adapt as well as possible and kick ass at the higher levels.

im more inclined for solution 2 but ive had problems with it beofre since I buy in at higher levels, thus it is easier for me to ignite. Im hoping playing shallow at a higher level will prevent me from tilting due to the realtivly small buy-in.
any thoughts on the matter? how can I work solution2 into my equation?

[bsg]

Take solution 1.
It's great to only have 10% of my roll so even when I bust a couple of times I didn't feel crazy. Having money in my account feels the same as having it on the table, on the line, almost scare money which encourage scare plays whether playing too passively or too aggressively with good hands afraid of suck outs and not milking it for value while risking playing too strong in situations.

Doubling 10% feels more rewarding. It gives me better motivation when sticking to my limits.

Also I can go shopping with less guilt and invest some of it in bonds. Rather than have money sit on my poker account when I'm not even suppose to use it because of BR management.

[ballboy75]

A good point indeed, but not quite what im looking for.
Im trying to get solution 2 for fit me better.
Im not ooking to withdraw at the moment.
playing with 10% of my current BR is nothing, I could lose it in an hour if I run bad, what good would that give me?
This is all freerolled money, I havent deposited a penny, thus im trying to see how high I can get from 0$, sorta a selft set challenge. If I lose all this money, ill feel shitty, but it wont hurt that bad since I never expected it to be in my account in the first place.

[bsg]

Take solution 1.
It's great to only have 10% of my roll so even when I bust a couple of times I didn't feel crazy. Having money in my account feels the same as having it on the table, on the line, almost scare money which encourage scare plays whether playing too passively or too aggressively with good hands afraid of suck outs and not milking it for value while risking playing too strong in situations.

Doubling 10% feels more rewarding. It gives me better motivation when sticking to my limits.

Also I can go shopping with less guilt and invest some of it in bonds. Rather than have money sit on my poker account when I'm not even suppose to use it because of BR management.

ofc when i go busto I took a break, I didn't reload straight away. Last time I took 2-3 weeks off, then started playing the Fulltilt points I had, earned a $26 token and carried on from there.

Also I find freerolls can be quite relaxing, just playing purely for fun. Last night I throw in a couple of bluff when I wanted to sleep. Busted.. oh well.