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    Default Aces but bad flop. How would you play this?

    NL Holdem 60/120 Middle Pos AcAs w/ around 6k chips.
    Someone calls early pos. I raise 360. Button, SB and original caller call [SB: loose player]
    Flop Kd 3d 5d (Pot = 1440)
    SB bets 1560, early pos calls. I think for a while, I go all in for 5.6k, everyone folds but early position guy calls and shows 33.

    I went all in b/c any reraise would pot commit me, so it was really just fold or all in. I leaned toward all in hoping one had a pair of kings, the other guy just a flush draw. On the other hand, the guy in early pos perhaps called preflop (before the raise) with Ad-xd and was slow playing the nut flush on the flop. It was really just a question of, did he slow play the nut flush on the flop or was he drawing to the nut flush.

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    seems like you might have played them a bit too strong.
    next time play them with caution. expecially with a single suited board with 3 players, and 1 betting out that big with a caller.
    Ogres and donks beware... i have a pitchfork!!!
    Econ-wanna play house with me???

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    I am assuming this is a cash game in a casino...
    How long were you playing before this hand came up?
    Were the other players playing a lot of hands and seeing a lot of flops?
    Unless someone is on tilt or playing badly I can think of only 3 realistic hands you would be up against... a set, a flush or AK with the A of . 2 of the hands have you crushed. I think you should have folded here. You said one player bet $1500 and another player called. Being up against one player is this situation you could think about it but with a bet and a call you really need a perfect storm for you to still be ahead...like you said you were "hoping" for one player to have a K and the other player to have just the A of . You only have $360 in the pot and you are risking $5,600 more in a bad spot. Even if you are up against a K and a flush draw you aren't a gigantic favorite... still my advice depends on the situation of the table and how everyone is playing. I would wait to push your stack when you know you have them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ballboy75 View Post
    seems like you might have played them a bit too strong.
    next time play them with caution. expecially with a single suited board with 3 players, and 1 betting out that big with a caller.
    Absolutely awesome advice.

    Pokerbucket, no way is this cash, must be a tourney (25 BBs deep!)

    It's an awkward spot, but the worst people are gonna put their stack in with (unless they're spewy) is a King with a good flush draw. Aces are kinda crushed by any solid range, esp. as it's 4-way. I'd just fold and move on. Folding can never be too terrible but shipping is often disgustingly bad. Btw, lol at the play here, how does a set flat the flop???!!!

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    Thanks for the advice everyone. Looking back, that was definitely an easy fold, as pokerbucket said, only had 360 invested. The SB wasn't only loose, but not the greatest player, so I got a little greedy and overlooked the caller.

    As for the caller flat calling the flop, hmm good question. Maybe he was playing it safe, knowing that the SB was loose (and 2k chips ahead) and would perhaps put in his stack w/ a strong flush draw. Maybe wanting to know what I do, or waiting to make a move on the turn.

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