FT 90 Seat SnG Bubble line check

[frecklers]

$12 90 player SnG
5 Handed
Blinds 500/1000 Ante 125
Hero BB 18000 ......Pocket 10's
Villain CO 20000

Villain fairly ABC not too aggro.

Action folds to CO who min raises to 2000, button Fold, SB Fold, Hero?


Standard Re-Raise? Say 5000-7000
Push?
Fold lol?
Flat Call?

[Sick_pro]

all in probably 60 % off the times.
raises to 4000-5000 30 % off the times.
Flat call 10 % of the times

[ballboy75]

I would give all in most of the time, say 75% of the time and flat calling the other 25% of the time. all this depending on the player ofcourse.
if you raise somewhere to 5-7K he might call with KQ,Kj,A10 (depending on the player)
and with the wrong flop you might be facing some hard situations.
in this case i would jam it if hes a reg player as you say.
btw, did you make the money? win?

[frecklers]

I would probably Jam most of the time, but in this case I re-popped to 5K, figuring that he calls with most overcards plus most underpairs to my 10's....I can get away from a dodgy flop plus I don't give him 5 cards with his overs i.e. I am not fliipping.

I figured I might fold to a re-re-raise as I figure he would only jam bigger pairs and AK.

Flop J J 4 rainbow


Hero?

Shove it in??!!

Half Pot Bet?

Check / Call?

Check / Fold?

[mast xx]

i don't understand a raise to 5000. u have the disadvantage of being out of position and being covered, and he won't fold with the odds u give to him.

on the flop, i think the only option is to go AI. u have a pot size stack (more or so) and it's a perfect flop.

[frecklers]

You don't understand the raise? The raise is a standard sized re-raise for any MTT (odds tend to be pretty irrelavent as people are more concerned about the impact on stack and ICM at this point as opposed to making odds based calls. Therefore his hand will slot in to a fairly polarised range if he opts to call my re-raise.

My objective here is not to get anyone to fold??? I want pretty much anything to call and I want also to be able to release my hand if I get re-re-raised as I am then sure I am behind. I am not sure why you would imagine anyone would make a bet to get someone to fold a worse hand? Does an All in bet EVER get called by worse hands (maybe 88 or 99)? Does an All in bet Improve my chances of maximising EV against overcards? What do I gain by going all in, other than to narrow his range to hands that probably beat me or I am flipping with?


I don't want to give him 5 cards to draw to and I am not overly concerned at being oop, I believe his range if just calling consists mainly of overcards and smaller pairs A9, A8 may even call ??....I am confident enough in my flop play to establish whether he has hit if the board is not ideal.
due to stack sizes, he will pretty much fold out any underpair to a min bet IMO if overcards come. If he hits he will shove a min raise IMO. So in sum I feel i can probe at a nasty board and get away (albeit with a reduced stack).


I am not saying at all the bet was correct, however I am interested in perhaps a view on whether my line here is likely to be +ev vs flatting or just shoving.

[Sick_pro]

I would probably Jam most of the time, but in this case I re-popped to 5K, figuring that he calls with most overcards plus most underpairs to my 10's....I can get away from a dodgy flop plus I don't give him 5 cards with his overs i.e. I am not fliipping.

I figured I might fold to a re-re-raise as I figure he would only jam bigger pairs and AK.

Flop J J 4 rainbow


Hero?

Shove it in??!!

Half Pot Bet?

Check / Call?

Check / Fold?

shove it in 100 %

[travz21]

i don't understand a raise to 5000. u have the disadvantage of being out of position and being covered, and he won't fold with the odds u give to him.

on the flop, i think the only option is to go AI. u have a pot size stack (more or so) and it's a perfect flop.

I agree with this. Raising to 5k is going to make life miserable for you. You're getting a call 100% of the time, going to be OOP, and will have an overcard flop like 75% of the time. Is a 2.5x 3bet OOP really standard in MTTs? In position, yeah. I can't decide if I'd raise it to 6.5k-7k or shove pf. If I ever played MTTs I'd put more thought into it.

[phaul]

2.5x being standard doesn't apply when you're 9BBs deep! This is a textbook shove.

I am confident enough in my flop play to establish whether he has hit if the board is not ideal.
due to stack sizes, he will pretty much fold out any underpair to a min bet IMO if overcards come. If he hits he will shove a min raise IMO. So in sum I feel i can probe at a nasty board and get away (albeit with a reduced stack).

You can't be that confident in your postflop skills if you needc to ask what to do on a JJ4 rainbow flop. There's also a lot less skill involved when you have 1.3 PSB and you're OOP.

[phaul]

My objective here is not to get anyone to fold??? I want pretty much anything to call and I want also to be able to release my hand if I get re-re-raised as I am then sure I am behind. I am not sure why you would imagine anyone would make a bet to get someone to fold a worse hand? Does an All in bet EVER get called by worse hands (maybe 88 or 99)? Does an All in bet Improve my chances of maximising EV against overcards? What do I gain by going all in, other than to narrow his range to hands that probably beat me or I am flipping with?

The point is that he's folding loads, and every time he does you've gained 11% of your preflop stack. You have good enough equity against his all-in range that when you do the maths, this is very profitable against a standard small-stakes villain. Raising just means your life sucks. What are you going to do on a Q-high flop? K-high? If you don't know his bluffing tendencies then either folding to or calling a shove can be very -EV. You're also losing $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ every time a small flop, or one like JJ4 comes whenever he has overcards.

[frecklers]

I kinda kicked myself here as I felt that I should have really shoved (18BB's not 9) pre flop. 2.5 is a fairly standard MTT raise, but without position I agree that there are a series of flops where I can be bluffed out or at least find it a little difficult to play with a limited stack.

Just for reference I play 40 of these a day, so caution or ocasionally trying something different around the bubble is not really an issue for me, I am looking to maximise EV and not limit variance in any way.

The flop was an obvious shove for me...I need probably not have asked the question, but always interested to see if others may have played it different. My main concern was my pre flop play and whether the line I took was a little dubious...On reflection I would prob just get it in 100% of the time unless I am quite a bit deeper.

[Brooklynbum]

You're basically stuck with one play and that's to shove.