Petition for Monthly Rake Races at Full Tilt

[arjun13]

I just saw that Doyle's room has a 40k rake race for March.

We need monthly rake races at Full Tilt. I am pretty sure it has way more players signed up on this site than Doyle's room, and if we have rake races similar to the 40k one, all of us combined will generate a lot more rake.

Let's see some love for people who have generated a lot of money for this site.

[travz21]

I think the Doyle's rake race includes their whole network. So it's not just one site. I'm also not sure if it's only Rakeback.com members that are in the race.

With that said, I don't think Full Tilt would pony up quite as much money for a rake race for us, but we did get a 30k one a couple months ago. I'm not too thrilled about monthly races since I'd have to play like 10 hours a day to compete with the top runners, but there should be some kind of rake sprint or weekly/biweekly/monthly rake race always going on. There really isn't a good reason for there not to be. Everyone makes more money.

[travz21]

Also, do you play golf, arjun? I was looking at the new ftp updates thread on 2+2 and saw your avatar.

[arjun13]

Yes I do.

Regardless of the fact that you might not make money in a monthly rake race, I think most of the players who pay a lot of rake will. And also, Full Tilt definitely has more players signed up on here than the whole of Doyle's room network combined.

[WeightGain3000]

quite a coincidence that this thread is up now...
i spent a few hours yesterday looking for sites that run a full tilt rake race as ive noticed that alot of other players that play at Your volume Arjun (and what i hope will be mine) generate a nice income from monthly rake races.
Do you know how many other sites run montly ft races?

[Olddog21]

I like it...then again I like any game I can qualify for with the possibility of winning a big prize!

[pokerbucket]

When I first signed up for rakeback.com I was disappointed there weren't any rake races but after looking at other sites like raketherake I saw how difficult it would be for me or an average player to make anything in a rake race... Some of these top players are multitabling tons of tables and playing higher limits than I do. One player raked over 41k last month! and a lot of them average over 10k. Thats 10k in one month! I am sure there are tons of players on rakeback.com that play a lot but don't bother to post on the forum. I am not saying I am against them but I also just want to make it clear to the average players that if you want rake races you will never make any money due to all the crazy people that play so much.

[WeightGain3000]

complety understand and agree with what your saying pokerbucket, but for guys like arjun and others who do play full time to make a living, its a little depressing to read other pros bloggs and see how much of a bonus they recieve from rake races when he generates just as much!
for me, seeing the other leaderboards inspires me to want to increase my volume.
i make an ok living with the volume i play, but the amount these guys make on rakeback alone in amazing!
saying that... im sure an exra 1k from a rake race is motivation enough to put in an extra hour a day... (or in my case probably an extra 5 hours!)

i know 6 or 7 hundred bucks isnt a life changing amount, but over a year that amounts to 7 or 8k. thats quite a few beers where i come from!

even if your an average player and only place in the leaderboards... a free $50 each month cant be a bad thing!

[pajala]

I started a thread simliar to this one some time ago and I totally agree with other sites who offer monthly incentives to their customers like rakeraces

I also pointed out that Full Tilt should be part of the VIVA Las Rackback promotion and looking at the early figures there seems to be only one side who is going to make it, gee what a party that will be!!!!!

From a players point of view its frustrating seeing the other sites running monthly promotions for Full Tilt, so maybe this is a chance for Rackback be slightly different and here is a suggestion

Lets take a sites monthly 20K race and 20K monthly freeroll promotion which they run every month for Full Tilt Members. In order to qualify for the freerol you need to gross $75 in rake per month to qualify for the freeroll (thats about 10mins in Travz21 time)

Now I am not saying Rackback need to match this but try to be different to encourage all players to increase their volume.

Instead of having 1 20K race split it into 4 Monthly Sprints based on the following

1. 10K High Stakes Cash Games (NL 10/20 Plus)
2. 5K Mid stakes (NL 1/2 - 5/10)
3. 3K Low Stakes Cash (NL 0.5.1 and below)
4. 2K SNG and MTT (Any stakes)

Step 2: Put on a monthly freeroll for all players once they generate ex amount of gross rake for FT, I am sure more ppl with front for this than the current POTW promotions but hey I could be wrong

Now before your SNG's and MTT players start screaming, all poker sites and affilates will generate more income from cash players that tourny players.

This is a different approach and allows all players a fair chance of securing some type of bonus.

Of course there would need to be some work done by rackback.com to get this information from Full Tilt to determine which catergory you play in the most, as I would imagine this information is not currently provide to the affilates.

However the first thing they can do is add Full Tilt to the Viva Las Rackback promotion, I understand that FT may not cough up the dough but I am sure we the FT players generate enough rack to more they cover the additional costs assocatiated with this promotion.

Anyway I maybe off the mark but thats my ideas and thoughts on the matter

[arjun13]

Pajala, while you are correct about us needing more rake races, you are so clueless about who generates rake. I challenge anyone on this site to generate more rake/hour than me, and I play SNGs. Rake is capped in high stakes cash, whereas it is not capped in high stakes SNGs. Please get your facts straight before posting.

[C8H10N4O2]

Pajala, while you are correct about us needing more rake races, you are so clueless about who generates rake. I challenge anyone on this site to generate more rake/hour than me, and I play SNGs. Rake is capped in high stakes cash, whereas it is not capped in high stakes SNGs. Please get your facts straight before posting.

Isn't it capped at $200/SNG? $200/SNG (if you are playing $5,700 sng's) compared to $3/hand at the highest full ring cash games that see a flop...

Don't you play like $335 sup turbos too? That's $15 a person/tournament vs $0.33 a person/hand that sees a flop. 45 hands=same rake rate..?

You could also argue it's capped for the stakes your playing... I mean, if you never go above $335 sup's, you'll never pay more than $15 per tournament no matter how many hands you play. That's not true for cash. You'll just never pay more than $3 a pot/number of dealt in players (for full ring tables)

I don't know... I'm not trying to say you don't generate more than anyone else... but if we had the highest stakes cash game players playing here, given equal number of tables and equal time spent/month, I'd think they would come out relatively close.

[ProtekYoNuts]

Pajala, while you are correct about us needing more rake races, you are so clueless about who generates rake. I challenge anyone on this site to generate more rake/hour than me, and I play SNGs. Rake is capped in high stakes cash, whereas it is not capped in high stakes SNGs. Please get your facts straight before posting.

That dude that 12 tables Rush could probably hang with you his name is Soraya homam.

[travz21]

High stakes SNGers generate a lot more rake than high stakes cash gamer players if they put in a lot of volume like arjun. And if you 12 tabled rush (4 nl200, 4 nl200 6max, 4 nl100 6max) you'd probably make ~$58/hr in rakeback. The only people I see doing that are the red pros who get 100% rakeback, though. I don't really think anybody can play winning poker at those levels playing that many tables, but making over $200/hr on rakeback is enough.

[arjun13]

What everyone is missing is that high stakes cash players don't mass table. Super turbos also take only 10 minutes on average. Combine that with mass tabling = lot of rakeback.

[ProtekYoNuts]

I think the monthly rake races are better. Gives alot of players a chance to win money when they pay the top 50. Only a handful of players have a shot at the weekend sprint, meaning only a handful of players are really going to try during the sprint.

[WeightGain3000]

I think the monthly rake races are better. Gives alot of players a chance to win money when they pay the top 50. Only a handful of players have a shot at the weekend sprint, meaning only a handful of players are really going to try during the sprint.

Damn good point if you ask me!

[pajala]

Pajala, while you are correct about us needing more rake races, you are so clueless about who generates rake. I challenge anyone on this site to generate more rake/hour than me, and I play SNGs. Rake is capped in high stakes cash, whereas it is not capped in high stakes SNGs. Please get your facts straight before posting.

What about players who solely play MTT’s tourney or Non Turbo SNG’s, not every tourney player plays super turbo SNG’s.

If you had read my post correctly I stated poker sites generate more rake from cash players than tournament players. Sorry that’s a fact period; if you combined the total amount of rake Full Tilt generates from all its cash tables and compared that to all entry fees they collect from MTT’s and SNG’s, I know exactly where they are getting the most income from.

So get your facts straight before you go insulting people and calling them clueless!!!!!!!!

[arjun13]

What about players who solely play MTT’s tourney or Non Turbo SNG’s, not every tourney player plays super turbo SNG’s.

If you had read my post correctly I stated poker sites generate more rake from cash players than tournament players. Sorry that’s a fact period; if you combined the total amount of rake Full Tilt generates from all its cash tables and compared that to all entry fees they collect from MTT’s and SNG’s, I know exactly where they are getting the most income from.

So get your facts straight before you go insulting people and calling them clueless!!!!!!!!

Wow, that is one of the stupidest posts of all times. I will address 2 of your points -

1. You saying "what about MTT and non turbo SNG players" is really dumb. I could counter with what about razz players, or guys who single table 1 cent/2 cent. BTW, hardly anyone plays non turbo SNGs anymore.

2. Please show me how it's a fact that cash players generate more rake. I would like to see proof of that.

[travz21]

If nl100 has 50 full tables, Tilt will make about $1,800/hour in rake. 50 tables of nl50 about $1,100. Just some examples. I'd say cash games earn them more rake than MTTs or SNGs every day of the week but Sundays. Probably not more than MTTs and SNGs combined, though.

[pajala]

Wow, that is one of the stupidest posts of all times. I will address 2 of your points -

1. You saying "what about MTT and non turbo SNG players" is really dumb Why, there are a crap load more MTT Grinders than players who play Super Turbos. There are only so many tables these grinders can play and would generate less rake in a simiilar time frame vs a simliar stake cash player due to the fact its so farkin long to complete a tournament. Turbos average over 30Minutes and the average SNG player will play 100 SNG's per day, if you look at similar stakes lets say 30+3 SNG vs 0.5/1 NL player who do you think will generate more rake. I could counter with what about razz players, or guys who single table 1 cent/2 cent Yep those tables would generate lower rake amounts, but they probable generate more rake per month than the Matrix!!!!!!. BTW, hardly anyone plays non turbo SNGs anymore Correct however they are still played and they still fill and they still take a crap load of time to finish thus decreasing the hourly rate FT generates from SNG's as a whole, remember my argument is based on total volume of tables.

2. Please show me how it's a fact that cash players generate more rake. I would like to see proof of that Can you prove you are right as your argument is based on your personal volume of push and prey poker, check out PTR and have a look at some of the high volume players like nanokoko and remeber this is for the hands PTR can track..

Rather than sit and winge about who generates more, my orginal post was to setup 4 seperate comps so ppl compete against similar players, simple make all 4 5K each and everyone is treated fairly and have an equal opporuntity for winning something.

Happy now Princess Arjun13