Wtf is going on??? Ftp rng is a piece of sht

[grimReaper]

I've had so many bad beats in the last few days it's sick. I'm really having doubts on FTP's RNG. I'm never depositing money on this site .

1) Limit Omaha 8 super sat. $2.25 to get $22.

After 4 hours of good play, I turn nut straight (broadway) no low possible and w/ nut flush draw, opponent improves two pair to a full house on river. I'm knocked out basically on the bubble. Checked calc later, I was 90% favorite.

2) NL Holdem

Get dealt QQ, reraise pf. Three way flop. Board: QT7 rainbow, opponent bets big, I call, last opponent moves all in, everyone calls, the turn is a 9, making a straight for KJ. Turned out the initial better had TT, finally had a cooler my way, but of course there was open ended straight that couldn't help but make it.

3) PLO8

I get dealt A37K (spades) in BB. There's a raise UTG. I call. Flop: 27T. Opponent bets pot, I move in short stacked w/ nut low draw. Turn: As, I now have aces up w/ nut flush draw and nut low draw. River: J. Opponent had KQQ9.

4) PLO8

I get dealt A237 UTG double suited. Raise pf, get one caller. Flop: 33K rainbow. I check, opponent bets pot/moves almost all in, I call, she shows J996. Turn: Q. River: 9. 9s full on river.

5) NL Holdem
Get dealt AK make a standard raise, get called, flop comes KTx rainbow, I bet flop, get reraised all in, I have to call, was low on chips. Opponent shows KT. Ok maybe this wasn't a bad beat, but still it adds insult to injury.

6) PLO8
Three way pot, bet flop w/ wheel draw, turn the wheel. Had a gut feeling I wasn't getting quartered, so I bet pot. Get called by KKxx (called flop bet w/ just KK?!), who makes runner flush. Not a bad beat, but I should've scooped that donkey - it was a 2k pot in the first level.

7) 8)... there's at least a couple more that aren't coming to memory.

Not to mention losing something like 4/5 coin flips when short stacked.

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WTF is this? I can't recall ONE suckout on anyone (always put my money in good), and yet I get all this bullshit? My "luckiest" pot is when someone raised and I moved short stacked w/ QJ suited. Someone else called, and I hit a J that stood up against A5 and AK.

At the very least I can say that all of these painful beats have made me a little more stronger. I'm pissed off losing to these idiots, but am absolutely not on tilt, I still played good poker, made good laydowns etc, but wtf am I suppose to do from here? Do I play $5 tournaments to avoid the idiots, and hence the bad beats?

edit: And the reason it's such a big deal b/c I've haven't got myself involved in many pots. And when I do, there's always some nasty beat lurking. Maybe people saw me as tight so they decided to make a move on me? Regardless, that' doesn't explain the bad beats in 1)-4)

[cavinok8]

as you said there are ones you dont remember, maybe you arent remembering the times you get lucky on others as well. Thats usually how it goes, im guilty of it too, everyone remembers the bad beats they receive but never the ones they give. although does sound like you have had some real shitty luck

[Olddog21]

I think we've all had thoses kind of days!

[dejrfan57]

I have absolutely no actual evidence to prove what I believe except 35 years of live play and 5 years now of RNG play. I will never be convinced that RNG play, no matter what the poker site, creates the same results as a live dealer shuffling or an automatice shuffler. To be sure, I've had horrific periods of numerous bad beats in a live situation, as well as unreal runs of good luck. But the things I see on a daily basis on the internet are beyond my belief. I will NEVER believe that the RNG can't be or isn't able to be manipulated by computer programmers, and I believe that Ring Games can be manipulated to create action and thus rake. I have quit playing at Poker Stars because I became convinced after several months of NEVER winning a single SNG that I had been "blacklisted" because of some criticism I made to their Customer Support department. This came after 2 years of a small positive ROI in the same games. Call me crazy, call me paranoid, or call me stupid...........I don't care. I now play online for entertainment only. There are plenty of people making a great living online, and I applaud them, but I just have no trust in the industry or the RNG.

[C8H10N4O2]

Losing with the worst hand 3 ways isn't sucking out?

You need to get a free trial of tracking software and check out your EV calculations. You'll get a much better feel for how you are running overall. Poker Tracker has a 60 day free trial, but it is somewhat limited. Hold'em Manager has a 15 day unlimited free-trial. It'd be worth your time to check them out.

[grimReaper]

Losing with the worst hand 3 ways isn't sucking out?

You need to get a free trial of tracking software and check out your EV calculations. You'll get a much better feel for how you are running overall. Poker Tracker has a 60 day free trial, but it is somewhat limited. Hold'em Manager has a 15 day unlimited free-trial. It'd be worth your time to check them out.

If you're referring to the QJ hand I was 38% to win. That's not a suckout at all! If I count all the times when I was ahead w/ 62% and lost this thread would explode .

[grimReaper]

as you said there are ones you dont remember, maybe you arent remembering the times you get lucky on others as well. Thats usually how it goes, im guilty of it too, everyone remembers the bad beats they receive but never the ones they give. although does sound like you have had some real shitty luck

Nah man, I'm being 100% fair. I haven't sucked-out out anyone, and by that I mean when I was a decisive underdog (roughly 25% or lower to win) and won. And it's really hard to suckout when you put your money in good. That's why poker can get frustrating b/c players that do put in their money good will get sucked out on a lot more than they suck out on other people.

I can't possibly comprehend myself being on the other side of the beats mentioned above.

[grimReaper]

I have absolutely no actual evidence to prove what I believe except 35 years of live play and 5 years now of RNG play. I will never be convinced that RNG play, no matter what the poker site, creates the same results as a live dealer shuffling or an automatice shuffler. To be sure, I've had horrific periods of numerous bad beats in a live situation, as well as unreal runs of good luck. But the things I see on a daily basis on the internet are beyond my belief. I will NEVER believe that the RNG can't be or isn't able to be manipulated by computer programmers, and I believe that Ring Games can be manipulated to create action and thus rake. I have quit playing at Poker Stars because I became convinced after several months of NEVER winning a single SNG that I had been "blacklisted" because of some criticism I made to their Customer Support department. This came after 2 years of a small positive ROI in the same games. Call me crazy, call me paranoid, or call me stupid...........I don't care. I now play online for entertainment only. There are plenty of people making a great living online, and I applaud them, but I just have no trust in the industry or the RNG.

It makes me wonder of maybe they have some sort of "balancing" mechanism. Playing the PTOTW freerolls, I just won $20 yesterday, $30 last week, and $33 the week before, significantly adding to my bankroll (considering I play sub $3 tournaments), and you wouldn't think that they're giving me these beats b/c they feel I'd be able to "afford" and "handle" these beats b/c I just won a good sum of money? If RNG is not perfect, then this seems to be the only explanation, otherwise I don't see myself as a 'target' otherwise.

[C8H10N4O2]

You need to get a free trial of tracking software and check out your EV calculations. You'll get a much better feel for how you are running overall. Poker Tracker has a 60 day free trial, but it is somewhat limited. Hold'em Manager has a 15 day unlimited free-trial. It'd be worth your time to check them out.

The rest of my post that you seemed to miss.

[travz21]

I bet it is rigged. There's so many things that should never happen that do happen. Like AA vs KK or people hitting 2 outers on the river. I mean, it's impossible yet it still happens. It has to be rigged.

[grimReaper]

I'll take a look dew.


Almost bubbled again! W/ like 4 people to the money, I had a small/medium sized stack, enough to make it. Nobody raised by BB, I had 678x, flop was 345 rainbow (obv nuts and drawing to better nuts), 3 way pot. SB bet flop and turn. I didn't want to get involved, so just called down, turn is a blank and river pairs board. And the third caller raises pot on the river, I obv fold. He called down w/ bottom two pair and made boat on the river....Don't get me wrong, I've played enough omaha to know how often the board pairs lol, but this guy played so bad, not to mention bad beat happened at such a critical time. Anyway, it was a satellite tourney and I barely got the entry, had 200 chips before it was over.

Travz - I understand it's possible, and I would've shrugged it off if it happened once or twice. But for these beats to happen in such a small time frame just looks so artificial and spooky.

[keanosdog]

i had my worst BB ever today. playing 10 $ PLO.

i was BB. 88910

UTG min riase to 20 c.

everyone calls 6 handed.

i call.

flop is 8s 2d 2s

i bet pot.

one caller

turn comes 4 s

i bet pot of 3 $


gets called.

now i'm starting to think , maybe my opponent has pocket 2's.

river comes 5 s.

now i do something that i should have thought about before i did it. i immediatley bet the pot again.

opponent called to reveal As Js 3s 9c. straight flush wheel.

I later checked my calculator to see what she was on flop.

0.12 %

i doubt i'll ever get that bad a beat again.

[travz21]

Travz - I understand it's possible, and I would've shrugged it off if it happened once or twice. But for these beats to happen in such a small time frame just looks so artificial and spooky.

I think what's really in question is your perception of poker.

[grimReaper]

I think what's really in question is your perception of poker.

What's my perception of poker? That the best hand/player always wins? If so, you must think very low of me. Maybe I misspoke or didn't make it clear, but basically every big pot I got involved in there was some 10%-20% suckout waiting to happen. But IMHO I don't think FTP or Stars are rigged (if that's what you think I think) - they make too much money to do that.

As for my "perception" of statistics, well that's another story.

[C8H10N4O2]

0.12 %

i doubt i'll ever get that bad a beat again.

If you play enough volume, it will happen again.

[liladypokerpro]

... basically every big pot I got involved in there was some 10%-20% suckout waiting to happen...

People who expect the worst generally get what they expect. That's not poker philosophy, that's life. Quit self-sabotaging... you're spending so much time thinking about all the ways you're about to get beat that you are not giving yourself the opportunity to out-smart/out-play your opponents... i.e. you're beating yourself from the inside out. Clear your mind of thoughts like "it doesn't matter how I play this because I will lose either way" ~ these thoughts will get you nowhere except in a hole.

I think it was also you who said "I'm not on tilt" but then directly after that you said "I'm pissed off" ~ so perhaps you should re-examine what you consider "tilt" to be, because the last time I checked, being pissed off is a sure sign that tilt is eminent.

Maybe people saw me as tight so they decided to make a move on me?

^ This is quite possibly the best remark you made. You noticed something about yourself that others might also notice and exploit. You're taking some responsibility for your beats, rather than just saying "they're all donks and they're always going to suck out on me no matter what I do" ~ Stay on the train of thought that pushed you to make the above remark.

[grimReaper]

People who expect the worst generally get what they expect. That's not poker philosophy, that's life. Quit self-sabotaging... you're spending so much time thinking about all the ways you're about to get beat that you are not giving yourself the opportunity to out-smart/out-play your opponents... i.e. you're beating yourself from the inside out. Clear your mind of thoughts like "it doesn't matter how I play this because I will lose either way" ~ these thoughts will get you nowhere except in a hole.

Thanks for the input, and to be honest, I actually considered this, but my thoughts can't control the cards, no matter how optimistic or negative.

I think it was also you who said "I'm not on tilt" but then directly after that you said "I'm pissed off" ~ so perhaps you should re-examine what you consider "tilt" to be, because the last time I checked, being pissed off is a sure sign that tilt is eminent.

Yes I was pissed off, but not on tilt. The way I understand it, being on "tilt" is playing bad b/c you can't think straight (been there once), but I was still playing good and was still self aware of my play.

^ This is quite possibly the best remark you made. You noticed something about yourself that others might also notice and exploit. You're taking some responsibility for your beats, rather than just saying "they're all donks and they're always going to suck out on me no matter what I do" ~ Stay on the train of thought that pushed you to make the above remark.

Well, I was definitely playing tight in PLO8 b/c that's a tight game. In fact, you'll never find so many fish playing PLO8 (at least low stakes). I've never seen a non-turbo tournament go from 150 to 40 in an hour. Regardless, in general playing tight isn't "bad" if that's the right play at the table imo. In fact, playing tight induced action in places where I had best hand/virtual nuts, but as I mentioned, those hands got cracked.

Anyway, thanks for the help. I'm no longer mad, while I always strive for the final table, I cashed twice in a row today and feel alright. Ironically I moved in short stacked w/ AK, got called by KT, there was a K on the flop, and T on the turn. I shrugged it off

[keanosdog]

another thing you said economist is that you rarely Bad Beat anyone. this to me is a sign of really solid play.i rarely (not never) bad beat the calling stations i encouter at the micro limits. it's because i play very very tight against them as they will eventually just give me their money if i sit and wait.you simply have to accept a good percentage of bad beats against them(i take them badly usually but thats another matter )

if i bad beat anyone it's solid players who i'll play lesser hands against knowing there may be opportuniities to bluff and in particular (PLO IS my main game these days) Semi bluff.

[grimReaper]

.you simply have to accept a good percentage of bad beats against them

Try explaining this to Phil Hellmuth . But yeah, this is what I saying earlier, that the only way I'll ever lay bad beat on someone is if I get a cooler that's second best but improves, or if I make a marginal call against a very loose/aggressive player.

Btw, there aren't words to describe the bad beat you shared earlier.

[travz21]

This thread is really good.