Playing AK?

[RiverstarsVictim]

Are we talking strictly cash game here? Tournament mode there's definately a case for stop n go here, albeit marginal.

[travz21]

Cash. Doesn't really matter, though. They were still extremely deep either way. Stop and go doesn't work that deep unless you donk-shove like 185k into a 30k pot. For stop and go to even cross your mind you'd have to have around half pot to a pot sized bet left on the flop, which means you're flatting 5bets/6bets 200-250 bbs deep. Anybody with a normal 5bet/6bet range is snapping off any flop shove you make.

[grimReaper]

YouTube- High stakes poker season 5: Tom "durrr" Dwan vs Howard Lederergabe gets it right at 3:!5 .all in or fold. the call is just awull and leaves howard in no mans land.

So I'm watching season 5 right now, came across this hand and I think what motivated durrr to make this play (aside from the analysis brought up here and analysis that rings in podcasts), is a physical tell. A tell I didn't see watching this video perhaps 3 times when I first saw it on here, but saw immediately when I was watching season 5 and was more familiar w/ Howard play.

Whenever Howard decides to enter a pot, he neatly slides his cards over the glass using one finger tip per card at a "moderate" and consistent speed, and makes his bet. But here, he slides his cards much faster and splashes the bet quicker, much differently than other times he enters a pot. This causes durrr to think Howard is weak ~{AQo, 99} and he proceeds to 3 bet.

Howard 4 bets. Howard does a lot of "feeler" uncommitted bets/raises so everyone loves reraising Howard and gets away with it generously. durrr makes the standard play against Howard's feeler bet and 5 bets. Howard doesn't shove which narrows his range to basically {AKs, QQ}. durr who flops a pair, has tremendous check equity on every street knowing he must dodge 6 cards if Howard = AK w/ two cards to come (24%?), and minimize all losses if Howard has a pocket pr.

[travz21]

I wouldn't trust one single tell that I pick up off of a live pro. They should be well versed in mixing and matching their tells to what story they want to portray. Even I can do that and I only play live like twice a year. You almost have to be thinking on deeper levels when it comes to reading tells from experienced players.

[grimReaper]

Actually, I'd say Howard is a special exception, he does give off a lot of tells from what I remember of him. Besides HSP season 5, I think the last time I saw him play was 2004 WSOP 2-7 lowball (youtube) and from what I remember his cards were basically hanging off face.

[grimReaper]

I know what I said is above sounds pretty simple, and that's because it is. The key is no commitment, be a player.

Maybe I'm taking this too far haha:
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