Is there cheating in online poker Big money TOUNRAMENTS

[talon101st]

Hello Rakeback Pack and Doin't take my stack,
I am new too online poker and have heard where some people get to the same table and text message there buddies at the table on what they have in there hand ,and here I come along and they double team me and my stack is gone any help or how too avoid this situtation thanks ,
talon101st
fulltilt is where i hunt

[C8H10N4O2]

Hello Rakeback Pack and Doin't take my stack,
I am new too online poker and have heard where some people get to the same table and text message there buddies at the table on what they have in there hand ,and here I come along and they double team me and my stack is gone any help or how too avoid this situtation thanks ,
talon101st
fulltilt is where i hunt

What?! You think this actually happened to you? Report it then.

[EliminateU]

What?! You think this actually happened to you? Report it then.

dew is correct. it is an impossible occurence. the time/space continuum would rip if it was even attempted and we'd all be burned up in a pat verbeek.

[C8H10N4O2]

dew is correct. it is an impossible occurence. the time/space continuum would rip if it was even attempted and we'd all be burned up in a pat verbeek.

Typical for you to slant what I say and continually attempt to attack my posts.

I'm saying if the OP thinks this happened, he should be reporting it. I have thought it happened to me before, and I have reported as well. There is no reason not to send in an e-mail to support at the site you were playing if you actually believe you were being colluded against. I never made a claim that it is an impossible occurrence, however you did.

[purplechip1]

Colluding does happen online however it happens more in single table tournaments and cash games more than multi table tournaments.

I believe that most collusion is dealt with effectively by the major online poker sites (i havent played much on any others.) Players get flagged and investigated for collusion when they transfer money to each others accounts, play mostly in the same games as another player, when someone emails fulltilt security with a complaint and probably many other different ways im unaware of. Ive also spoken to an ex pokerstars employee i met who told me stars does the same thing.

Twice ive been refunded money by Fulltilt when ive been colluded against, $10 and $3.50. The money just randomly appeared in my account. Fulltilt emailed me to tell me I'd been colluded against however they wouldn't tell me when or by whom.

On a seperate note about a year ago my brother and his housemate 'loosely' colluded (they dont really now how to collude very well or play very well for that matter) in some SNGs on Fulltilt about a year back and had their accounts temporarily locked. They were warned by Fulltilt that if they played in the same tourny (<180 or >2) or colluded again they would have their accounts permanently banned.

Overall from what ive experienced they do a pretty good job at catching colluders.

[EliminateU]

Typical for you to slant what I say and continually attempt to attack my posts.

I'm saying if the OP thinks this happened, he should be reporting it. I have thought it happened to me before, and I have reported as well. There is no reason not to send in an e-mail to support at the site you were playing if you actually believe you were being colluded against. I never made a claim that it is an impossible occurrence, however you did.

You typically slant what I say and attack me. How about the stupidly snide remark, "I didn't know the MIT blackjack team played online."

Really...did you really think that is the angle I was shooting for? Please let me know, as it'll allow me to grade your future remarks on the appropriate curve.

[EliminateU]

...on a side note...does anyone get the pat verbeek reference and what it means?

[C8H10N4O2]

"I didn't know the MIT blackjack team played online."

That comment was stated because the discussion in question was about online poker. Just because someone cheats live, doesn't mean the same principles etc apply for online. It was a completely irrelevant point that you were trying to use to strengthen your argument, but it didn't apply at all.

i.e., People cheat on their husband or wife all the time, so people cheat in online poker. It's irrelevant and shouldn't be linked to the discussion.

Also, I'm pretty sure at times the MIT team was detected, just not every individual right? They did meet resistance from my understanding.

Now I'll go back to not even acknowledging that you exist anymore because it's so pointless to use reason and logic with you. After the last PM that you sent me, I realized there just wasn't any reasoning with you. The only reason I have replied to you in this thread is I honestly think the OP should be reporting the alleged collusion, and I didn't want the OP to think I was saying otherwise.

[EliminateU]

That comment was stated because the discussion in question was about online poker. Just because someone cheats live, doesn't mean the same principles etc apply for online. It was a completely irrelevant point that you were trying to use to strengthen your argument, but it didn't apply at all.

i.e., People cheat on their husband or wife all the time, so people cheat in online poker. It's irrelevant and shouldn't be linked to the discussion.

Also, I'm pretty sure at times the MIT team was detected, just not every individual right? They did meet resistance from my understanding.

Now I'll go back to not even acknowledging that you exist anymore because it's so pointless to use reason and logic with you. After the last PM that you sent me, I realized there just wasn't any reasoning with you. The only reason I have replied to you in this thread is I honestly think the OP should be reporting the alleged collusion, and I didn't want the OP to think I was saying otherwise.

You continually show your ignorance of both fact and reason. The MIT blackjack team used team tactics to avoid DETECTION of card-counting COLLUSION from the casinos for YEARS before detection. During that time they profited in the MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. Since the collusion we are speaking of online would basically be the EXACT SAME THING, using multiple accounts to camouflage the fact that the same players, or team of players, to fleece other players while simultaneously avoiding detection to make MILLIONS OF DOLLARS before finally being caught and banned...only to start up as different user names.

Wow, you make Forrest Gump look like a genius.

[C8H10N4O2]

I just listened to Andy Bloch talk about his time on the blackjack team. I guess I'm an idiot for believing what he said.

But you are definitely right. There is absolutely 100% no way possible whatsoever for online collusion to ever be detected ever. Just as there was absolutely no way ever possible for casinos to catch on to the MIT team ever. It's 100% undetectable under all circumstances.

Good bye EU.

[travz21]

My weener is undetectable.

[C8H10N4O2]

My weener is undetectable.

That's either awesome, or really unfortunate.

[grimReaper]

I hope I don't sound too dumb or paranoid in this post, but would you be suspicious if you're closing in on the money in a satellite tournament w/ a short stack, and there's a big stack on your right who's been raising and reraising every pot and most flops, and exactly when he's in the SB and your in the BB w/ A23x (Omaha 8), a monster especially if you're short stacked close to the money (like being dealt AA/KK in holdem), everyone folds to him but he times out and folds the SB, then sits out for the rest of the game? I could've scooped him! Another POTRIPPER lol?

[travz21]

I hope I don't sound too dumb or paranoid in this post, but would you be suspicious if you're closing in on the money in a satellite tournament w/ a short stack, and there's a big stack on your right who's been raising and reraising every pot and most flops, and exactly when he's in the SB and your in the BB w/ A23x (Omaha 8), a monster especially if you're short stacked close to the money (like being dealt AA/KK in holdem), everyone folds to him but he times out and folds the SB, then sits out for the rest of the game? I could've scooped him! Another POTRIPPER lol?

No. I always chalk up scenarios like that to running terrible in life while everyone else is on a heater. Maybe I've actually been cheated this whole time. That would be relieving. Kind of.

[EliminateU]

I just listened to Andy Bloch talk about his time on the blackjack team. I guess I'm an idiot for believing what he said.

But you are definitely right. There is absolutely 100% no way possible whatsoever for online collusion to ever be detected ever. Just as there was absolutely no way ever possible for casinos to catch on to the MIT team ever. It's 100% undetectable under all circumstances.

Good bye EU.

Hmmmm, considering I said FIRST that the blackjack team WAS detected that would make your remark either INSANELY STUPID or a COMPLETE LIE. I never said it wasn't detectable ever, just that a well run strategy is possible. That is why you need to keep an eye out.

Are you really this ridiculous?

[C8H10N4O2]

There is no way they could detect collusion if there was a team, a la the MIT blackjack team, doing a system.

q f t

[iioiioiioii]

everything that has ever happened, everything that is happening, and everything that ever will happen is all occurring right now and always will be. the notion that anything can be prevented, solved, improved, or avoided is basically a soup sandwich. wearing my trunks in a bathtub of buttermilk and warm gravy, listening to a ten second recording of goat noises on a continuos loop, i find keeps me fresh and ready to really give those mtts the old college try.

[C8H10N4O2]

everything that has ever happened, everything that is happening, and everything that ever will happen is all occurring right now and always will be. the notion that anything can be prevented, solved, improved, or avoided is basically a soup sandwich. wearing my trunks in a bathtub of buttermilk and warm gravy, listening to a ten second recording of goat noises on a continuos loop, i find keeps me fresh and ready to really give those mtts the old college try.

Lol... ummm what?

[grimReaper]

Lol... ummm what?

Google translator fail?

[C8H10N4O2]

Google translator fail?

Perhaps? No matter what it's relatively funny reading when I'm slightly buzzed. I'm not sure what to make of that post at all.