What would you do here?

[C8H10N4O2]

Villain has been playing super weak most of the match and doesn't really bet big often at all. Min raises and 1/4-1/8 pot sized bets are standard for him. Then this hand happened. What range of hands can you put villain on and do you call or fold based on that range?

NL Holdem $30(BB) Replayer
Villain ($1,785) BB
Hero ($1,215) Button

Dealt to Hero 8 8

Hero raises to $90, Villain calls $60

FLOP ($180) 5 8 K

Villain bets $1,695 (AI) ???

[Dekanter]

This is tournament, right?

Seems there is a new online tournament thing to overpush the nuts into the raiser. Seen it like 15-20 times the last two month or so. It happened to me in such spots often either where I hit like top two on a dry board or sets on flushboards like u did here.

But as often depends on the players. The most nitty smallball players try this move from time to time to accumulate chips because this bet looks so odd in most spots.

But if it is a rather OK opponent I would go for the call cause there is lots of things you do beat at the moment like TP+FD or bottom set or two pair. Also you need to get some chips yourself and in the starting stage of a tourney I most likely pick up these spots to go for a good start or bust early.

But I still do not like that move from those guys, where is the old-school checkraise gone? Am I getting this old

[travz21]

Easiest call ever. Massive donk shoves are never the nuts when you're playing someone passive.

[C8H10N4O2]

Just as a note, this was a HU tourney that was approaching around 10 minutes of play.

[grndizzle]

I would've definately called. I'm guessing he has top pair or the nut flush draw and doesn't want action. If he has the flush I don't think he'd be shoving all in right there, and if he did you could still pair the board to fill up.

[HeyKidMove]

More than likely it's a naked club, probably the ace. Easy call.

[C8H10N4O2]

All right, it caused me to pause for a second, but the only thing I could come up with was a high flush draw, and I figured if I were wrong, I still had outs, so I went ahead and called. Villain showed 7x6c and I was only a 57% favorite. Not ideal, but still the right play. I was just really surprised to see such a low flush draw shoving from such a passive player. I just wasn't sure how everyone else would interpret that... I mean, he was one of the most passive players I think I've played in quite a while, so it threw me a bit, so I wanted to make sure the consensus there was definitely call.

[gojkovich]

i would call

[FlipCoach]

only thing I could come up with was a high flush draw, and I figured if I were wrong, I still had outs, so I went ahead and called. Villain showed 7x6c and I was only a 57% favorite. Not ideal, but still the right play. I was just really surprised to see such a low flush draw shoving from such a passive player. .

I think being a 57% favorite here is pretty ideal You should always take +EV when you can even if this situation is quite high variance.

His range here will be so huge because a lot of these "ultra passive" type players will all of a sudden wake up and make weird bets like this. And as you can see, its not always (or usually ever) the nuts.

Try thinking from his point of view - i.e. he usually makes these tiny raises and tiny bets - presumably he's the type of player who cries himself to sleep if he raises with AA preflop and everyone folds. He probably loves to show down winning hands. So with this in mind, you can assume he's never doing this here with a made flush. If he had a made flush, he'd want you to pay him off so he could feel good on the inside

So I think his range (and some astute posters have touched on this above) contains A flush draw, all pairs w/ fd, 2 pair hands, and sometimes just top pair (you heads up players do weird things)

But you were definitely correct to call. I don't think I'm ever folding a set in a heads up tourney.

[ballboy75]

I would put him on a pair and a low flush draw-maybe even just a medium flush draw or a small pair in the hole with a club.
I dont think hw would make this move without the club.
your definitly ahead, but hes not dead.
its an insta call agaisnt such a rash move but there is an element of risk.

[travz21]

You should always take +EV when you can even if this situation is quite high variance.

In SNGs, I have to disagree. Your statement holds true to cash games, however.

[FlipCoach]

Very true about SNGs, but I meant that 57% is +Ev enough to cover the rake