Bots here

[Carl]

I find myself writing this in the knowledge the moderators will probably wipe it as fast as I post it ~ But since joining the ipoker network I and some friends along with me, it's VERY obvious we find ourselves playing SitN'Go's against nothing more than BOTS on too many occasions.
It's frustrating, and yes I'd like to think that I can outplay them ~ but they really need to be eradicated.
I play multiple sites on occasion, even multiple games ~ but too often on the ipoker network you can find the same player, on EVERY table, on EVERY ipoker site at the VERY same time. Lets face it, I dont care how good you are, you cannot play 20 plus games at the same time on mulitple networks ~ IMPOSSIBLE ~ short of asking for my money back, I just ask they fix this issue. Nobody likes to be robbed.

[travz21]

As impossible as you may think it is, people can/do play 20+ sngs at once. Just because you can't imagine how people can play that many tables doesn't mean you're up against artificial intelligence.

I also love your confidence in being able to outplay them combined with your desire to want them eradicated. To all of my inferiors in the poker world, BEGONE!

[C8H10N4O2]

To all of my inferiors in the poker world, BEGONE!

This is hands down the best way to win money at poker. Get all the stupid donks out and you can actually win a hand or two for sure.

[grimReaper]

Why are you so frustrated? Unlike chess, where combinations and trees of possible moves and board positions can be calculated, artificial intelligence isn't advanced enough where you can be outplayed by a bot in a hand of poker. Poker is a social game, and computers aren't social people.

[Carl]

I want to play poker ~ against other people playing poker. Aside from economist89 perhaps who seems to grasp that its a social game. Poker isnt always about the cards, often about the reads of the people behind the cards more often than not ~ sitting on the PC half way across the world or not, you still get a read.

If I wanted to play against a computer program and nothing more, I'd buy a fkn playstation, and freeroll forever on it ~

[Dekanter]

I poker is a big network. If a player is playing his alias on lets say CD Poker, you will obviously also see this player playing when you log in to William Hill or Noble Poker as those are just skins for the same network. He does not play like in 20 online cardrooms at the same time

[grimReaper]

Aside from economist89 perhaps who seems to grasp that its a social game.

Lol....

Poker isnt always about the cards, often about the reads of the people behind the cards more often than not ~ sitting on the PC half way across the world or not, you still get a read.

And you're mad that's there's one bot playing, assuming that that guy is a bot who could never play as good as a human?

[purplechip1]

If a bot could 'never' play as good as a human than noone would continue to use a bot.

Guessing bots actually do make money.

Knowing that just thinking your better than a bot doesnt make you better than a bot.

Knowing that it would be very hard for someone to admit a bot is better than them.

[grimReaper]

What variables are you considering? Fatigue? Multi-table ability? Emotionless? Then yes, a bot may have an edge in not fatiguing and being able to multi-table massively.

But bots aren't magical beings. They're programs made by humans. Given that the calculations or near-perfect approximations made in a poker are trivially easy, how can the bot play better than its creator when the creator implemented his/her style in the bot's play. And I mention calculation, b/c what differentiates a "bot" playing poker than a "bot" playing chess is that in chess you need to make deep calculation, there can be thousands if not maybe millions of board permutations from a given position, all that the human brain isn't capable of evaluating, but computer is. Poker is a game of detecting betting patterns, and humans can "feel" another player's pattern, but they can't formalize it into an algorithm for a computer to be able to implement exactly as a human would, i.e we want the computer to do a little more than play ABC poker. Therefore giving the controls to a computer one can only be worse off (if the purpose isn't to massively multitable etc), as the transfer in skill from man to machine is imperfect.

[grimReaper]

Actually, I think Carl is right, there are bots around. Last night I was playing a play-money HU shoot out tournamnet on PS, and I'm pretty sure I encountered one on the second round. Her name was something like SeXyLaDyca. She'd basically min bet whenever she flopped a pair, and fold any 2x bet on any streeet and board w/ nothing. She was playing extremely tight, and I basically got bored and shoved AT after she limped and she called w/ A4, not something I'd expect out of a ultra tight player, but I could see how a bot may be programmed to call shoves w/ ace high heads up of.

I even said "sorry" when I spent 30 seconds on one hand pf due to multitabling, and no response. And if she was too busy to say something like "np" b/c of multitabling, I'd expect her to spend variable time on each hand, but she always spent maybe 1 second per action. I think this basically nails the last nail in the coffin that she was a bot.

But even if there are bots like that, I'm totally cool w/ it. She played worse than the worst fish out there.

edit: Also want to add that her moves were instantaneous, never tanked or paused.

[travz21]

Actually, I think Carl is right, there are bots around. Last night I was playing a play-money HU shoot out tournamnet on PS, and I'm pretty sure I encountered one on the second round. Her name was something like SeXyLaDyca. She'd basically min bet whenever she flopped a pair, and fold any 2x bet on any streeet and board w/ nothing. She was playing extremely tight, and I basically got bored and shoved AT after she limped and she called w/ A4, not something I'd expect out of a ultra tight player, but I could see how a bot may be programmed to call shoves w/ ace high heads up of.

I even said "sorry" when I spent 30 seconds on one hand pf due to multitabling, and no response. And if she was too busy to say something like "np" b/c of multitabling, I'd expect her to spend variable time on each hand, but she always spent maybe 1 second per action. I think this basically nails the last nail in the coffin that she was a bot.

But even if there are bots like that, I'm totally cool w/ it. She played worse than the worst fish out there.

Face palm.

[grimReaper]

Face palm.

They're at least all consistent w/ a bot.

[C8H10N4O2]

They're at least all consistent w/ a bot.

I don't think that is the reasoning behind the face palm comment.

[iHazSkills]

Why do people think bots cant outplay them, if they did play tight, had the programmed shoving ranges and end their actions preflop, then even running on 2% ROI on the micro stakes with 50 tables it still adds up to some nice $...

[DanielK6670]

I find myself writing this in the knowledge the moderators will probably wipe it as fast as I post it ~ But since joining the ipoker network I and some friends along with me, it's VERY obvious we find ourselves playing SitN'Go's against nothing more than BOTS on too many occasions.
It's frustrating, and yes I'd like to think that I can outplay them ~ but they really need to be eradicated.
I play multiple sites on occasion, even multiple games ~ but too often on the ipoker network you can find the same player, on EVERY table, on EVERY ipoker site at the VERY same time. Lets face it, I dont care how good you are, you cannot play 20 plus games at the same time on mulitple networks ~ IMPOSSIBLE ~ short of asking for my money back, I just ask they fix this issue. Nobody likes to be robbed.

Well you must be a bot if you were on all the tables as the same person (supposed bot) was on. I was playing about 10 - 15 tables at the same time and another player was also on all the tables as me. Does this now mean I am a bot, other player is a bot or both us are bots. Well he wasnt as we were chatting in all the games we were on. You are just a bad LOSER.