how should i have played this? - low pairs late in tourney

[phosphorescence]

late in $10+1 90 man KO tourney on full tilt, about 18-22 players left.

blinds 500/1000 with 100 ante (i think)

i have about 13k.

dealt 66 in UTG+1. now i absolutely hate trying to play these kinds of hands in EP late in tourney, seeing as if you get called you're usually in a race and, call me paranoid, but the overcards seem to win a lot more than 50% of the time on full tilt.

i thought about folding, i thought about pushing, but then i did neither and raised to 3000. i hesitated for quite a while so this could have made the difference.

guy on the button thinks for a bit then pushes all in for 13k. blinds fold and i'm getting like 2:1 on an almost certain race, so i have to call.

he shows QJ suited (sigh....)
rivers a jack and i'm out.

afterwards i know i should probably have pushed, but don't think folding is bad either. raising to 3k was stupid though, seeing as i wasn't folding to a reraise.

how in the hell do you guys/girls play these horrible low pairs late in a tourney? early in tournies they're like my favourite types of hands because you can double up so easily if you hit trips, but late on they're an absolute pain.

[Huskers314]

With 13 BB's, it's an insta-fold. As played, you just about have to call the re-raise, you've put a quarter of your chips on the line and you are likely to be racing. However, a decent portion of the time, you'll be drawing to two outs as they'll hold a bigger pocket pair. Like I said, if it were me, I'd avoid this mess completely by folding the sixes immediately.

[liladypokerpro]

I hate getting anything less than QQ as far as pairs late in a tourney, but as little as 66 I can say for certain I would have not gotten involved with the hand at all. Just wait for a better spot. But that's just me.

And a side note, I don't think you're paranoid...Full Tilt is like that...but it's not the site, it's the players.

[phosphorescence]

thanks for the replies guys.

i think if i'm in the cutoff or on the button i'm certainly pushing here, but i should have just laid it down this early in position.

if it's 99, TT or JJ here (UTG+1) i'm definitely pushing, perhaps even 88. i still don't think pushing here is the worst idea (that prize would go to what i did, making a 3xbb raise :P), but laying it down is the safest bet.

[Wyte22]

Considering it is a turbo, your in EP with the blinds comes back around to you.

Your M is 5.42........After the BB and SB, Your M is 4.75 if the blinds stayed the same for when they went right thru you (they usually won't). This is a Meh play. Pkt 6s do win alot of races and I advocate playing aggressively with small pkt pairs late in a tourney, because if you don't, you will get blinded and anted off. I think the only thing you should have done different was, if your going to commit almost 25% of your stack to a raise, you should have just shoved pre-flop. That late in a turbo tourney, losing 25% of your stack effectivly screws your final table chances. Also look at it this way, HAD you folded. Your Stack would be 10K (rounding here to make the math easier), with an M of 4.2. After the blinds passed, assuming they didn't go up, your M is now 3.46. Folding to that shove by the QJ effectivly put you in the red zone and with the BB and SB passing you, it put you deeper into the red zone and needing to double up just to breathe.

Soo to me, I'd shove the PP, less chance QJ can make a play unless they are REALLY deep and want to chance donk off a good % of their stack. If not shoving, fold them but once the blinds pass you (assuming you don't get a group 1 hand during the blinds), your in the red zone and once in red zone, all PPs (besides 2 and 3) look very attractive for doubling up!!

This is a Meh play, awesome if it works but sucks to be you if it didn't work and your villian brought his floaties to survive on the river!

[Vito_Nuccio]

Originally Posted by Wyte22 .... I think the only thing you should have done different was, if your going to commit almost 25% of your stack to a raise, you should have just shoved pre-flop. ....

This is the key here. You can not afford to raise 3000 in this scene. You said when the villian went all-in you were pot committed. If so, then shove it all to start, give them a chance to fold as they would/should have. Late in a tourney you can not let your M shrink up too much. If betting here, all-in is necessary.

Folding is fine also with 66 out of position. The worry is; will this the best hand you will get in the next rotation or two, it could be. If so and folding here, you will be forced to push later with less. This is a tweener situation, a tough decision. Unless sitting at this game it is hard to tell without the feeling of the moment. I would see myself pushing here more often than folding.

Thanks

[dulken]

insta shove. not really much else to say. judging on the stack sizes you are either on FT or close to the FT bubble. higher pairs might call (77 88) but not necessarily AK and AQ will most likely call and yet your fold equity makes you capable of scaring off even AQ (assuming your opp got brains) judging of what you just typed it can very likely have been me who made the repush assuming you would fold the pocket pair. had you pushed any player would most likely lay down everything below AK AQ. and PPs less than 88 possibly even 99. so for me INSTA shove you simply can't give away the equity imo.