The Standard Raise

[ungarstu132]

The Standard Raise
The standard raise is depicted as 3xBB plus 1BB per limper. This meaning, if there are 2 limpers up to you, that’s 2xBB for the limpers, plus the 3xBB for a total raise a 5xBB. Of course you can’t follow this exactly, as it will get readable by the other players. Thus, my standard raise is 3-5xBB plus 1BB per limper. The reasoning behind the standard is so your opponents get no read pre flop on the strength of your hand, so one thing you want to avoid doing is raise 5xBB plus 1BB per limper when you have a stronger hand, and 3xBB plus 1BB per limper when you have a weaker hand.
Here are some examples:
Example one, everybody has a decent stack, there are no short stacks, and there are no major large stacks. Everybody’s stack is around 5000

Blinds 50/100
seat 1-SB 50
seat 2-BB 100
seat 3-folds
seat 4-limps
seat 5-limps
seat 6-folds
seat 7-me with AK
I want to make the standard raise here, as I have a decent hand and nobody has yet shown they have a strong hand. The BB is 100, so 3xBB is 300 and 2 limpers is another 200 (1xBB per limper) for a total raise of 500. This is effective so the blinds can’t play with junk and out flop me.


Example 2, this is the final 4 of a 10 player sit n go. Every player has 3750 in chips.

Blinds 100/200
seat 1- SB for 100
seat 2-BB for 200
seat 3-folds
seat 4-me with 99 in

Here I’m going to change it up a bit. Instead of betting 3xBB (600), I’m going to raise 5xBB (1000). This is because if I raise to 600, I am likely to get a call from AT, QJ, KQ, and other hands of that sort. By raising 1000, I can push out those hands that are a coin flip and that could potentially out flop me. Also, I didn’t raise too much, to the point where I am pot committed and required to call a re-raise where I would be dominated 95% of the time.
Of course there are exceptions to everything, and that’s no different for the rules of the standard raise. These exceptions involve position, opponents stack sizes, and your stack size.
Stay tuned for the continuation article “The Exceptions to the Standard Raise”

[frob23]

Do you use it #1- The Standard Raise

Is this a repeat of "The Best of ungarstu132?"

[ungarstu132]

Originally Posted by frob23 Do you use it #1- The Standard Raise Is this a repeat of "The Best of ungarstu132?"

what do you mean "the best of ungarstu132"

no, i jst started writing again, and have been reworking previously written articles to help others.

[Wyte22]

Originally Posted by ungarstu132 The Standard Raise The standard raise is depicted as 3xBB plus 1BB per limper. This meaning, if there are 2 limpers up to you, that’s 2xBB for the limpers, plus the 3xBB for a total raise a 5xBB. Of course you can’t follow this exactly, as it will get readable by the other players. Thus, my standard raise is 3-5xBB plus 1BB per limper. The reasoning behind the standard is so your opponents get no read pre flop on the strength of your hand, so one thing you want to avoid doing is raise 5xBB plus 1BB per limper when you have a stronger hand, and 3xBB plus 1BB per limper when you have a weaker hand. Here are some examples: Example one, everybody has a decent stack, there are no short stacks, and there are no major large stacks. Everybody’s stack is around 5000 Blinds 50/100 seat 1-SB 50 seat 2-BB 100 seat 3-folds seat 4-limps seat 5-limps seat 6-folds seat 7-me with AK I want to make the standard raise here, as I have a decent hand and nobody has yet shown they have a strong hand. The BB is 100, so 3xBB is 300 and 2 limpers is another 200 (1xBB per limper) for a total raise of 500. This is effective so the blinds can’t play with junk and out flop me. Example 2, this is the final 4 of a 10 player sit n go. Every player has 3750 in chips. Blinds 100/200 seat 1- SB for 100 seat 2-BB for 200 seat 3-folds seat 4-me with 99 in Here I’m going to change it up a bit. Instead of betting 3xBB (600), I’m going to raise 5xBB (1000). This is because if I raise to 600, I am likely to get a call from AT, QJ, KQ, and other hands of that sort. By raising 1000, I can push out those hands that are a coin flip and that could potentially out flop me. Also, I didn’t raise too much, to the point where I am pot committed and required to call a re-raise where I would be dominated 95% of the time. Of course there are exceptions to everything, and that’s no different for the rules of the standard raise. These exceptions involve position, opponents stack sizes, and your stack size. Stay tuned for the continuation article “The Exceptions to the Standard Raise”

Raising with more than 25% of your stack in the late stages of a SnG and then folding = your heading out before long. All things being equal, if you fold your left with 2750 chips, EVERYONE has you covered and now your All ins and raises mean less and less because they don't have the fear of you knocking them out. If your going to committ more than 25% of your stack that late in a SnG, you need to just call the all in and win the coin flip. Also, please give math where if you raise 1K, your dominated 95% of the time? are you saying that you'll see Tens thru Aces 95% of the time? How about AT thru AK? what about smaller pkt pairs? To assume that just because someone pushes in when you raise (or re-raises when you raise) has a big hand, is to assume that there is Santa Clause and The Easter Bunny really does paint and hide eggs. Depending on your table image, some player might feel your making a move and re-raise you with 72o, that's truly a big monster to

Like I said, Math plz about the 95% of the time being dominated.

[irishpkr]

Some of this stuff doesnt add up/seem optimal to me...

"Of course you can’t follow this exactly, as it will get readable by the other players. Thus, my standard raise is 3-5xBB plus 1BB per limper. The reasoning behind the standard is so your opponents get no read pre flop on the strength of your hand, so one thing you want to avoid doing is raise 5xBB plus 1BB per limper when you have a stronger hand, and 3xBB plus 1BB per limper when you have a weaker hand."

Logically and practically, there is no reason why varying your raise size randomly is any better than a fixed amount. If anything it would seem that ALWAYS raising 4x +1 is better, its about as unreadable as possible (imo)


Here are some examples:
Example one, everybody has a decent stack, there are no short stacks, and there are no major large stacks. Everybody’s stack is around 5000


"Example 2, this is the final 4 of a 10 player sit n go. Every player has 3750 in chips.

Blinds 100/200
seat 1- SB for 100
seat 2-BB for 200
seat 3-folds
seat 4-me with 99 in

Here I’m going to change it up a bit. Instead of betting 3xBB (600), I’m going to raise 5xBB (1000)."

As has already been said, to raise to 1000 here and then fold to a shove is really horrible. If he shoved the pot would be about 5k, and we have to call 2750, we need little more than 35% equity here, no way I can fold 99 now. Madness

[ungarstu132]

Originally Posted by irishpkr Some of this stuff doesnt add up/seem optimal to me... "Of course you can’t follow this exactly, as it will get readable by the other players. Thus, my standard raise is 3-5xBB plus 1BB per limper. The reasoning behind the standard is so your opponents get no read pre flop on the strength of your hand, so one thing you want to avoid doing is raise 5xBB plus 1BB per limper when you have a stronger hand, and 3xBB plus 1BB per limper when you have a weaker hand." Logically and practically, there is no reason why varying your raise size randomly is any better than a fixed amount. If anything it would seem that ALWAYS raising 4x +1 is better, its about as unreadable as possible (imo) Here are some examples: Example one, everybody has a decent stack, there are no short stacks, and there are no major large stacks. Everybody’s stack is around 5000 "Example 2, this is the final 4 of a 10 player sit n go. Every player has 3750 in chips. Blinds 100/200 seat 1- SB for 100 seat 2-BB for 200 seat 3-folds seat 4-me with 99 in Here I’m going to change it up a bit. Instead of betting 3xBB (600), I’m going to raise 5xBB (1000)." As has already been said, to raise to 1000 here and then fold to a shove is really horrible. If he shoved the pot would be about 5k, and we have to call 2750, we need little more than 35% equity here, no way I can fold 99 now. Madness

i love how everybody has to find somthing wrong with my opinion...OPINION, can you all stop beating the F**K down on me, as i am one of the few thats constantly post EDUCATIONAL POKER POSTS, not all that other poker bull crap...can you please re read where it says FINAL 4 of 10, that means you are on the bubble.....thus the fold with 99 to a re raise is completely correct

thank you, try again

[irishpkr]

if you plan on folding to any resistance, wouldnt 3x raise be more effective?

"can you all stop beating the F**K down on me" "thank you, try again" - we're not beating down on anyone, I (and probably some other people) will find that your opinion will not always be theirs, we're not trying to win some game, so I'm not sure what I'm meant to 'try again'

[BUILDMO]

By playing "by the book" a standard raise will get everyone folding as planned.
However, with the influx of nubies to the game of internet poker, the standard will more than likely get a call.

There is nothing standard about playing poker. We are not machines in a factory producing winning hands. (Although, we try to grind it out every time).

Every table has a particular feel, and like every women, we play it the way that works best, while somedays we don't play at all.

AA - ALL IN BABY - I am tired of getting beat on this hand.( but that's poker, as we all know).

Your comments are appreciated! You are welcome to raise, but limping and ALL in work good too. It depends as we all know.

To standardize poker play will surely get you into trouble.

[Fictive]

You know ungarstu, nobody is ragging on you, they are just giving their opinions on the matter, that's what people do on a message board. Besides, I think that both irishpkr and wyte made very good posts with extremely valid points. You shouldn't take everything so personally. Smile, be happy.