what to do

[hollygirl]

i was playing a tournament and were down to final and were on our first hand and i catch AKs im in bb everyone folds but small blind,(the blinds are 300 600) (im 3rd in chip stack small blinds is 4th) so the flop comes 10 10 A small bets 1800 i call turn is 6 small pushes all in for 3600 so what do i do i have 2 pair a flush draw and a possible full house draw i need to know what would you all do then ill tell you what i did and whatthe out come was thank you
(by the way i had 4k in chips when he pushes)

[frob23]

I would raise pre-flop... and raise the flop. As played, you have no idea where you are in this hand.

I don't know if I would call but that is because you've left yourself in a very bad spot. I think that if you're not raising the bet on the flop then you shouldn't call it and should have folded there. As the call pretty much pot-committed you on the turn and that card was unlikely to help his hand... you call.

[HeyKidMove]

Well first of all, what happened preflop? Did the sb just call and you checked? If that was the case, I would say you should have raised pf. But as played thats a tough spot. I feel like you have to call here. I don't think the sb would have a boat in this spot. I think they are more likely to have a weaker ace. I guess a T is possible, but even then you have outs to the flush or an A for the boat. So I would say call without knowing what happened pf.

[hollygirl]

im really sorry i raised preflop to 3 bb which made the pot 3600 pre flop then the flop he bets i call which made it 7200 but the turn didnt really help me out but it gave me draws so that was kinda good in the situation but not good enough so as of the time ran down and the additional time was counting i decided to FOLD the guy actually showed his hand and he had 10 10 in his hand so i was dead no matter what then 3 hands later me and him are hu im all in with jj and he called with 77 and caught the lucky 7 on the turn oh well

[irishpkr]

You HAVE to call on the turn! call 3600 to win 10800, 3:1 so you need 25% equity. You have 9 to the flush, 2 aces to the full house. He might even have AQ/AJ which you have crushed. Insta-fistpump-call

[hollygirl]

i know what i wanted to do but i ended up doing the right thing he had me na matter what

[liladypokerpro]

I hear ya holly.....that is just one of those situations where you listened to your gut against what your normal play would be and it ended up saving your behind. Sometimes you can't ignore your instincts, no matter if you know better or not.

[hollygirl]

yea it was agood choice but it relly didnt pay off because i went out in the same place i woulda if i would have called but it was a tough lay down

[frob23]

Originally Posted by hollygirl i know what i wanted to do but i ended up doing the right thing he had me na matter what

Let's see... out of the 1,035 hand combinations he can hold (from the 46 unknown cards)... exactly 2 of them have you drawing dead (AA and 10-10) and 4 of them have you drawing to one out (A-10).

0.19% of the time you're drawing dead
0.39% of the time you're drawing to one out.

This means 0.58% of the time you're in serious serious trouble and aren't getting close to the odds you need. You can't validate decisions made against a range of hands that is almost half a percent wide.

If you assume that he "must" have a 10 here... then you don't have exactly the odds you need to call but it's very, very close. If you factor in the times he holds an Ace... and there are many he could be holding here that are worse than A-J even (I can easily see A-7 here without a problem)... or a pocket pair and he's playing assuming you don't have the Ace but were trying to steal the blind... and so many other factors... this becomes a very easy call.

Results are unimportant... the math is what matters. This time you would have been drawing dead but the vast majority of the time you're either ahead or drawing live with nearly correct pot odds. This is a trivially easy call. Given the way he's misplayed the quads here... I go broke every single time. I find it much more likely he has a weak A-x here than even a single 10 in his hand. He played this hand amazingly bad.

[liladypokerpro]

That is true too....I think ultimately, if you'd shown more strength pre and post flop you could have avoided the sticky situation you ended up in. But live and learn, that's all we can do...