Would You Have Folded???

[MLitteer]

If there wasnt the pre flop raise, I may not have left this tourney on this hand........ Was I tired? justified? just plain stupid? you tell me.....


Seat 1: seakelp (5550 in chips)
Seat 3: TammyJ White (11034 in chips)
Seat 4: bigsoxfan05 (7253 in chips)
Seat 5: MLitteer (8905 in chips)
Seat 6: taps1961 (7206 in chips)
Seat 7: Paul V. K (9732 in chips)
Seat 8: dontpanic666 (9516 in chips)
Paul V. K: posts small blind 250
dontpanic666: posts big blind 500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MLitteer [9h 9s]
seakelp: folds
TammyJ White: calls 500
bigsoxfan05: raises 500 to 1000
MLitteer: calls 1000
taps1961: folds
Paul V. K: folds
dontpanic666: folds
TammyJ White: calls 500
*** FLOP *** [9c 8s Th]
TammyJ White: bets 500
bigsoxfan05: raises 500 to 1000
MLitteer: raises 500 to 1500
TammyJ White: calls 1000
bigsoxfan05: raises 500 to 2000
Betting is capped
MLitteer: calls 500
TammyJ White: calls 500
*** TURN *** [9c 8s Th] [Kd]
TammyJ White: bets 1000
bigsoxfan05: raises 1000 to 2000
MLitteer: raises 1000 to 3000
bigsoxfan05 said, "hahahahaha flop the nuts and u guys are raising me"
TammyJ White: calls 2000
bigsoxfan05: raises 1000 to 4000
Betting is capped
MLitteer: calls 1000
TammyJ White: calls 1000
*** RIVER *** [9c 8s Th Kd] [7d]
TammyJ White: bets 1000
bigsoxfan05: calls 253 and is all-in
MLitteer: calls 1000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TammyJ White: shows [Jd Qd] (a straight, Nine to King)
MLitteer: shows [9h 9s] (three of a kind, Nines)
TammyJ White collected 1494 from side pot
bigsoxfan05: shows [Jc Qs] (a straight, Nine to King)
TammyJ White collected 11255 from main pot
bigsoxfan05 collected 11254 from main pot

[Fictive]

Flopping a middle set, nothing you can do. I would've raised all-in on the flop though with those stacks. Depending on the player, with that stack going all-in pre-flop would also have been an option, altough I'm not a fan of all-ins with those pocket pairs when you still have a little play left with that stack of yours. Anyway, flopping a set, it all goes in the middle. you still had ten outs to suck out.

[123bird]

I gave you the benefit of doubt that you where tired,but really I would have folded on the turn, but hey everyone plays differently

[dulken]

personally i really dislike your play preflop. click raises rarely brings anything decent with em and i personaly dislike playing pots like these. judging on you stack and the blinds i would have probably shoved in my chips preflop if i wanted to play the hand or i might have opted to fold it then and there. on the flop though you got serious issues as you actualy flop the set and here i don't see myself laying down the hand either. what limits you play on matters aswell though as several people on lower limits wish to see flops with "rag" hands as QJ when they get it cheap/semicheap. i say the play would have prolly been going on preflop and if you would have held more chips i would have definately folded on the river. but no not a huge mistake by you in my opinion.

just reread your post and realised we are probably talking abou a limit game in wich case i am no expert but in case it was a NL game my former post still stands.

[HEAVYMETLZ]

considering the odds of seeing a flop that is higher than your cards....fold...especially if a donk goes all-in

[HeyKidMove]

For everyone that's saying to shove, it looks like this was a limit tourney. The betting was capped at 4 bets. So shoving was never really an option. I think with all of the action you should have known you were beat, but with what was in the pot it would be hard to fold. I think you could have gotten away on the turn though. Tough hand.

[mikeyu21]

I would have just shoved in. it still is the strongest move in poker.

[PiJuice15]

To those who have said to go allin... Read hands carefully to analyze in the future. This seems to be a limit tournament, and you wouldnt be able to go all in. Hence the caps. There is more to poker than NLHE

To the OP... It would have been hard to get away from this hand, I understand, but once the King came out, with the draws on the board, etc, I probably would have let it go at that point and saved myself some chips. I am not a great limit player, I just don't play enough, but I think You had good odds to call, but should have figured you were beat and let it go. Thats just how the cards are dealt sometimes, better luck next time.

[oergarth]

no brainer, fold on turn raise

[mikeyu21]

yes and i think if you are a very patient person HORSE tournaments are the easiest to conquer because people play other games so badly.

[frob23]

With 3 to a straight and two people showing serious interest on the flop, I check/fold the turn when the board doesn't pair. These cards are right in the worst range for a 3 straight on the flop because they are likely to hit some people very hard. There's also the concern about 10-10 (but less so... if the 8 paired on the turn and someone had 10-10... well, I am going broke here).

In a limit tournament, with this sort of action, folding an preserving your chips might just be a better play. It's unfortunate to have this happen and eat up a big portion of your chips before you know you're beat... but that's poker.

[AnArkhos]

I woulda folded on turn. Bigsoxfan had a reasonable hand to do the bet PF and the man even said it himself out loud. (well at least typed..)

In limit poker, u did a pretty questionable play of seeing the hand all the way through. In NL holdem the dude would be pretty loose to raise that hand PF on top of other raises.

Still, I know sets are difficult to let go as u hit them, and even more so on the later streets as you have invested so much in the pot already.

[CoolHandDave]

I fold the turn

reasoning:
The flop is very well oriented, any loose jack will remain as will 2 overcards, if you can see the river cheapo then do it and try to fill up and take the pot. As it is with so much action that is a super easy fold.

I couldn't fold the flop, even tho i would expect to be behind, but when the K comes and the action is how it is, i have to drop it right there.

Also, i don't like the pf call, i would reraise him there to get him to define his hand, and hopefully to drive out the other player. Also that was the only point you were ahead in the hand although you didn't know that.

[BUILDMO]

try not to lose ALL your chips

[CoolHandDave]

You can't go all in, it's fixed limit

[liladypokerpro]

Mike, I totally agree 100%...

For some of us, playing in the HORSE tournaments can be a huge advantage...knowing all the different styles of poker is a must for anyone, and I would strongly suggest learning them all. It will inevitably benefit you in the future.

That said, being that so many people don't know the different styles of play, they may just play every hand in hopes to simply stay in the game. This can kill even the best player's chances, as these tend to be the luckiest of the bunch. Granted, eventually, the luck wears off, but not before taking out some very talented players in their wake.

Best advice I can offer is to make yourself well-rounded. Learn all the different styles of poker...Limit, Pot Limit, No Limit, HORSE, Razz, Stud, Draw, Pineapple...whatever you can find, LEARN IT and become comfortable with it. Develop your own strategies and put them to the test. Keep track of your errors and compensate for them in future games.

All things are eventual, so just hang in there, practice, and concentrate...although there are many different styles of poker...the main thing to remember is that the hand strengths remain constant. For each style, a certain hand wins. If you are faced with a tough decision on a hand, and you suspect you are beat, suck it up and lay it down. There are more where that came from, and you'll live to see another hand.

This should compliment one of my previous posts well. In the previous post, my key advice was to watch the other players at your table. Watch their betting patterns, the hands they show, every little thing can help you to determine a player's weaknesses. It's a little different than getting a read in live play, sure, but it is possible and can be very profitable for you. Even the speed at which a player bets can tip you off...if a person tends to take their time, then all of a sudden in a certain hand starts betting instantaneously upon their turn, you might consider folding, as they are pretty happy with what they've got.

[Arielstorm]

I think with all of the outs there your best bet would have been to fold with the possible str8 on the board. Considering you were tired and probably not paying attention I can understand.

[PetaBread11]

when theres 4 cards there to make a straight already i wouldn't even fool with that, I mean if it was really late at night and just dont care anymore i guess thats your choice but i wudnt have called or raised or anything with that

[ftppkr]

obv he isnt folding that on the turn u guys, even if hes beat he has redraw outs for the full def giving him the odds, considering its only 2 bet to call and theres 3 way action, giving him amazing odds, maybe he should of just called the turn, instead of 3 betting thou, but besides that there was nothing he could do. and on the river u guys r telling him to def fold with the 4 str8 on there, this i can kinda understand but he had already ( i cant remember the numbers) but a lot of money invested if he folds he has like probly 1500 left or so, and the pot is like 20k lol, those r pretty convincing odds