Are you ever folding top two pair heads up?

[frob23]

Not just heads up but late in a tournament when the stacks are not very deep and you've got the other player covered. Take the following hand for example. The stacks are effectively 4.9BB after the ante (t50) is put in by the BB here.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (2 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

saw flop|saw showdown

BB (t3970)
Hero (t9530)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
Hero calls t400, BB checks.

Flop: (t1250) , , (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t1250) (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t800, BB raises to t3120, Hero ? ? ?.

Final Pot: t7490

Here I slowplay this hand to death. It's easily a raising hand pre-flop in this situation but I am working on getting the BB to hang himself because he's been folding to my raises and just shoving every time I am in the BB. This would be fine if I had a hand. But I hadn't and I had been steadily losing chips to it. I also check the flop because I know he would have shoved any Ace at this point so I am far ahead.

The turn gives me 2 pair but puts three to a flush on the board. Personally, heads up and this deep, I am never folding here. I mean, absolutely never. There are just so many hands that he's shoving here that I am crushing. Even if he has a hand that beats me, I am not going to be in terrible shape considering how much I outchip him.

Personally, I don't find this board all that threatening. I found it an easy call. I thought it was very likely to be Jacks-up, a pair and a club, or even just a single high club (Qc or Kc) trying to just take the pot down there. I almost never worry about straights and flushes with only 3 on the board heads up (unless there is just no other explanation for the bet and even then I don't give them a huge amount of credit).

What do you think? Is this an easy call, a difficult call, a difficult laydown, or an easy laydown? What is your experience in similar situations?

[bigfranky]

no one folds here even P.H

[BUILDMO]

who won the hand?

[frob23]

Originally Posted by Buildmo who won the hand?

The decision is on the turn not the river. And the results are irrelevant. If I said he had Q-Q and the river was a Q... or the Kc and the river was a club... or J-10 and the river didn't help him... or A-3... or whatever... it's not going to change anything. I don't know what he holds or the river when I have to make this choice. So this is the information I have.

Maybe he had the flush and I caught a J on the river to make the full-house and beat him... but maybe not. Try and forget about the results of any one hand and think more about the decision. If faced with the same decision 100 times, with 100 different hands he could hold and 100 different rivers... how would you play it?

[HeyKidMove]

I think this is an easy call. You have him outchipped by a lot. I believe if you lose this hand the stacks will be about even. I think that his range is way too large here and you're crushing too much of it to even consider folding.

[emoneypitt]

Late in a tournament, you have the opponent covered in chips, yes I definitely go for it with top two pair. I doubt he hit the flush because he probably would have at least tried to scare you off after the flop in this situation. My best guess is that he has Ax of some sort or hit some crappy two pair of his own since he is on BB. I think you're in good shape in this situation.

[AnArkhos]

This would depend on the opponent.

If the opponent is very keen on doing this kind of moves, I'd definately re-raise allin here (If the opponent isn't allin here yet)

If the opponent is tight player, I'd make a crying call.

I'm a tight-aggressive type in tournaments, so if I decide to play a hand further from this point, I'd most certainly reraise it, not just call it.

The play on the flop would've made a world of difference if you would've raised there. You would most likely know more about the hand you are up against.

Played like this, u are in the dark about the possible hands your opponent could be playing with or drawing to.

[st_ever]

I call this all day with no reads. As it is late in a tournament you can make a more informed decision assuming you must have seen this guy play for at least the duration of the final table. If the guy is extremely tight then maybe you could lay this down but even that is nitty.

[Vito_Nuccio]

I do not see myself getting away from this one unless you can put the villian on AK or AQ at the flop, otherwise I am in.

You mentioned this is a heads up hand, not down to heads up play. While I am super aggressive when down to the final two players I am more conservative at full table.

In this example, I do not see myself folding unless my first sentenace holds up, besides that, not much fear here, if they hit a monster (set,flush), they win. I see this hand as a money/chip maker in the long haul.

Later,

[HeyKidMove]

Originally Posted by Vito_Nuccio I do not see myself getting away from this one unless you can put the villian on AK or AQ at the flop, otherwise I am in. You mentioned this is a heads up hand, not down to heads up play. While I am super aggressive when down to the final two players I am more conservative at full table. In this example, I do not see myself folding unless my first sentenace holds up, besides that, not much fear here, if they hit a monster (set,flush), they win. I see this hand as a money/chip maker in the long haul. Later,

The flop went check,check. So if you put your opponent on A-Q, A-K you have them crushed now. You have to get it in.

[Brooklynbum]

Instant call.

[liladypokerpro]

Pretty easy call right here, I'd say...

[frob23]

Originally Posted by Vito_Nuccio I do not see myself getting away from this one unless you can put the villian on AK or AQ at the flop, otherwise I am in. You mentioned this is a heads up hand, not down to heads up play. While I am super aggressive when down to the final two players I am more conservative at full table. In this example, I do not see myself folding unless my first sentenace holds up, besides that, not much fear here, if they hit a monster (set,flush), they win. I see this hand as a money/chip maker in the long haul. Later,

This is during the heads-up part of the tournament. Sorry that wasn't real clear. I thought the intentions of the original post implied that and the hand history cleared it up. But I could see how it might not be the case.

[PokerTransfersOnline]

Personally, I raise pre. I bet flop. If I am flatted on flop i proceed with caution when the club hits.

Depending on the player, I may and have dumped this. And im a sick LAGtard.

As played, fold.

With a raise pre, than a bet on flop, I 90% of the time go broke.